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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/09/2019 16:15

How the hell is Elphicke still an MP?

woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:16

Front bench look terrified.

Monst3ra · 03/09/2019 16:16

Why is Kate Hoey

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:16

May aides say she will support the government, but I do believe her sitting next to Clarke is making a point nonetheless.

Brief picture of her stroking a cat sat on her lap as she eyes Boris ...

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 16:17

A Remainer Tory MP giving BJ yet another chance Confused
The triumo of hope over experience .... and common sense

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Despite the below, serial Remainer rebel Keith Simpson says he will vote with the Government tonight:

"I want to give Boris a chance".

A boost for No10 when every vote counts.

Monst3ra · 03/09/2019 16:17

Posted too soon but that could make sense anyway.

Why is Kate Hoey still sitting with Labour? I thought she had defected to The Brexit bunch.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 16:19

😂
Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

It’s like Mum and Dad at parents evening.

Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire
Peregrina · 03/09/2019 16:19

Is there any footage of Lee crossing the floor and Boris's Bluster?
Perfect timing!

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:19

Mark Di Stefano @markdistef
someone’s having fun
photo of Clarke and May

I'm going to run out of MN images for the day if I post it!

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:19

May aides say she will support the government

Unless she decides that the best thing for the future of the Tories is to get rid of Boris ASAP. I'm sure it would give her no pleasure, but one thing we know for certain about her, is she will do what she thinks is best for the Tory party, and right now, that may be to dump Boris, rather than sit back and watch him split the party irrevocably.

Dr (thx Grin) Lee's letter was a paean to the Conservative party of old. Maybe it's reached a few places threats can't ?

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:20

@peregina

Bbc parliament @bbcparliament
The moment when @DrPhillipLeeMP crosses to sit with the Liberal Democrats:
t.co/27dOWhQw1z

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 16:20

I can't link the tweet from mobile but Laura K has just shared some potential figures forecasting tonight's vote. It's gonna be tight basically.

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 16:21

Johnson has no official majority, and with 14 or so Tory rebels, he has no ad hoc majority either on brexit

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 16:24

Is there any footage of Lee crossing the floor and Boris's Bluster?

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-accused-of-risking-destruction-of-party-ahead-of-no-deal-brexit-showdown-11801382

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:24

Ah... This is my beloved group known as the radical association who are a ld group.

Radical Association @radicalassoc
Fundamentally Philip Lee isn't a liberal and we are disappointed that he has been allowed to join the Lib Dems - a move that has already caused resignations of senior & long standing voices within our movement.

This is not in any way a good day for liberalism in the UK.

We will be considering our further response to this; we believe we were right to oppose Lee joining, and will consider ways to officially express that in the coming weeks. We are very sorry and sad to see resignations of great liberals occurring as a result of today.

We call upon Dr. Lee to make an urgent statement reassuring Liberal Democrat members on his views on LGBT and immigration issues, and for the parliamentary party to likewise work to reassure the many members currently considering their membership of the party.

This lot are nutters.

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woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:26

This lot are nutters
And not very good at the politics it looks like.

Mistigri · 03/09/2019 16:27

Very esoteric nutters. I'd never heard of them and I like to think that I follow U.K. politics closely.

Mistigri · 03/09/2019 16:28

Ian Dunt now referring to Hammond as the Tory Che Guevara.

There isn't enough popcorn in the world.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 16:29

If BJ is really going to withdraw the whip from Hammond tonight / tomorrow - and 10-15 other rebels who vote with the Opposition -

then he will definitely have only a minority govt,
whatever happens with O'Mara, Elphick & co

Lisette1940 · 03/09/2019 16:29

PMK. Thanks for everything Red. Hope your back to school prep and house move went well.

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 16:29

Dr Philip Lee knows what an adult human female is, maybe? Quelle horreur for the Lib Dems.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/09/2019 16:29

For pities sake. These factions have to put their bug bears to one side and come together at least for Brexit.

woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:29

That was mine:
Gauke is the Che Guevara of Chorleywood. Sad

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:30

David Allen Green@davidallengreen
Government benches pretty empty for a major debate under a new leader

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