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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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prettybird · 03/09/2019 16:47

Talking about popcorn, this picture seems appropriate Wink - if sad about the reputation/perception of the current state of UK politics Hmm

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:48

I personally am ambivalent about Brum, but Jess Phillips is a star, and a Brummie the city should be proud of.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 16:48

Politics is sometimes said to be like showbiz.

In the US, it is easier for showbiz personalites to do politics

However, in the UK the PM has to stand at the Dispatch Box in the HoC and answer questions
It's not like press conferences or interviews, which he can just opt out of

... maybe another reason for prorogue: to shield a PM who disintegrates into babbling when the going gets tough

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:49

And not very good at the politics it looks like.

To put it mildly.

I've had run ins with them on MN and in real life.

They are the very worst of the LDs and the party would be a lot better off without them as they are big drivers of the lunacy in the party.

Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky
Phillip Lee hints more defections from the Conservatives speaking to @KayBurley

- suggests some might not come over to Lib Dem’s tho some might
- though defectors often say that...

“I do know a number of colleagues are searching their souls”

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woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:49

He don't like great questions from great women, that's for sure. Grin

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:52

Shehab Khan @shehabkhan
Blimey! The pound literally reached it's high of the day when Boris Johnson lost his parliamentary majority

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boatyardblues · 03/09/2019 16:53

PMK. These threads don’t half move fast!

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:53

Arj Singh @singharj
Boris Johnson says Tory MPs who don’t back his Brexit deal will be sacked from the party, just like today’s anti-no deal rebels

He's going to kick out Mark Francois and the ERG's Steve Baker??

Really???

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Hoooo · 03/09/2019 16:54

Oh, I'm enjoying this 😊

Peregrina · 03/09/2019 16:54

Has he got a deal yet?

Hazardtired · 03/09/2019 16:55

CHEEKY ALERT

Can someone do a round up in a bit?

Dock my carers allowance tax payers because I'm literally in the middle of someit important for DP but I can't concentrate because I keep glancing at live feeds...and I'm LOST with it.

Bad carer hazard bad. Also bad brexit hazard.

TheMShip · 03/09/2019 16:56

What deal would that be, precisely?

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:56

Hopefully the last hour or so will have hit Brexiteers with a little shock and awe - they'll have to work out where to firefight first, and more importantly how.

Seems threats have backfired - the only option now is to carry out those threats, or fuck off.

It all feels significant, but not quite sure how, yet ....

usuallydormant · 03/09/2019 16:57

PMK....Maybe Leo should get one of these for Monday's meeting with Boris, if it ever happens.

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:58

Boris Johnson says Tory MPs who don’t back his Brexit deal

Hang on.

What Brexit deal ?

woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:58

Can someone do a round up in a bit
Johnson and the brexit are imploding. Wink

TheMShip · 03/09/2019 16:58

Wasn't it always going to end with the Conservative party splintering, from one side or the other? Impressive if BJ manages to do it on both right and left...

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 16:58

I'm not watching this live, clearly lots of you are. However, I find myself wondering how Boris might be coming across to those who voted to Leave and those who are supporters of his?

Its very easy and tempting to criticise the performance of those with whom we share little and don't sympathise with their POV, I think.

Lisette1940 · 03/09/2019 16:59

No, he's not doing well with the questions.

Cherrypi · 03/09/2019 17:03

Pmqs should be good tomorrow.

Peregrina · 03/09/2019 17:03

I would be surprised if those who do support Johnson aren't a bit disappointed in his performance. It's blustering and shambolic - he couldn't answer Philip Hammond who put a very measured question to him.

tobee · 03/09/2019 17:05

I was just going to ask that very thing @LouiseCollins28. Great minds and all that, eh? GrinGrinGrinWink!!

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 17:06

I would be surprised if those who do support Johnson aren't a bit disappointed in his performance.

Today, of all days too, with references to Churchill and WW2 abounding - possibly even some clips on the radio to hear what a grown-up sounds like ?

Daftasabroom · 03/09/2019 17:06

If BJ is BlowJob then surely DC should be CumDom?

NigellasGuest · 03/09/2019 17:07

Dr Lee said that the straw that broke the camel's back for him was Rees Mogg's rudeness to the neurologist on LBC yesterday. I heard that interview and it was shocking

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