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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 22:32

Labour Noes:

Kate Hoey, John Mann

Labour Abstain:

Kevin Baron, Derek Twigg

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:33

Just a point.

To repeal the ftpa Johnson only needs a majority not 2/3

What's the SNP position?

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lljkk · 03/09/2019 22:33

... Did any Labour (Stuart, Hoey?) vote with govt?

tobee · 03/09/2019 22:33

I can't imagine Johnson actively parents. He doesn't even know how many kids he's got for starters Hmm

Hazardtired · 03/09/2019 22:33

Did i hear right on sky...Is Winston Churchill's grandson going be kicked out of the Tory party for voting against Johnson?

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:34

"is BJ tabling a motion of NC in himself"

No, under FTPA he moves a motion calling for a GE

He needs a ⅔ of MPs to agree
i.e. he needs Corbyn to agree

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:34

This will play well with some 'drain the swap' mentality.

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LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 22:34

Sorry Bigchoc but no, that’s not nearly enough for me. He spoke in general terms about the Bill, it’s purpose and the “concerns” and said that it was “not the case” that it was intended to stop Brexit, as you correctly mentioned.

What I wrote was “No clear statement from Mr Corbyn in his speech that he is not trying to Stop Brexit. That’s a fail Mr Corbyn.”

Emphasis on “he” was crucial. The words “I do not want to stop Brexit” did not pass his lips, nor did any similarly unequivocal personal statement of his position.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 22:34

BJ and the like don't need to be parents. Firstly that's what women are there for, and secondly they'll have paid staff. Several of.

LonelyTiredandLow · 03/09/2019 22:35

I was going to say, how can he call for an election if there is no VONc?

Anyway off to bed. Keep an eye on these papers tomorrow for the medical details of impact of No Deal. The body bag stockpiling stories and epilepsy fears will be out!

Hazardtired · 03/09/2019 22:35

SNP were for an election on a channel 4 debate yesterday....but...they also really don't want no deal.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:35

Paul Waugh@paulwaugh
Woah. PM bottles it? Andrea Leadsom suggests Tory rebels have another chance to avoid whip withdrawal/deselection if they back govt tmrw. (via BBC)

???!!!!

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SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 22:35

@Hazardtired no because they're not actually following through with their threats. Giving MPs a "second chance".

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 22:36

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:36

red Would there be any enthusiasm at this particular time to repeal the FTPA ?

Repeal would give power back to BJ

  • choosing to call a GE used to be one of the most useful weapons in a PM's armoury
SingingBabooshkaBadly · 03/09/2019 22:37

In an interview with BBC, she said that she hoped that the MPs who voted against the government would “reconsider overnight” and decide to vote with the government to defeat the bill tomorrow. Asked if they would lose the whip immediately, she said they wouldn’t. They would get a second chance, she said

I dread to think about the machinations that will be underway to pull them into line.
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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:37

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Govt sources confirm all 21 rebels are being kicked out - including the man who was Chancellor until a few weeks ago and Churchill’s grandson BUT.... Leadsom just suggested to @BBCVickiYoung that if they change minds tmrw they might have another chance ... hmmm

Meanwhile Labour confirms officially they WILL support motion to have General Election if and as soon as law is changed to rule out No deal

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SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 22:38

twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169001298164932610

Apparently Leadsom has already changed her mind- all 21 out in all circumstances.

Sounds like they might not have a clue what's going on.

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 22:38

Andrea Leadsom tells me Tory rebels have another chance to stay in the party if they vote with Government tomorrow. Has PM got cold feet? #brexit

Tweeted by Vicki Young, BBC

As if they could afford to loss them all, there'll he another excuse tomorrow I expect...

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 22:38

On a lighter side, who do you think walked his new dog today?

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 22:38

Corbyn was quite good

And BJ annoying as he spoke

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 22:39

Well I managed to watch all of that without a drink. Will I be able to do the same tomorrow?

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