Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

991 replies

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
36
BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:26

howabout The agreed A50 extension texts to date have been binding until specific dates, except where they have the condition "extension to end as soon as the WA has been passed"

Outsomnia · 03/09/2019 22:28

Normal service resumes tomorrow AGAIN. Another vote that no one knows what to do with.

But sneakily...... I love the fact that there will be a vote and it wasn't rejected.

Another dose of Parliament TV beckons.

For the lazy amongst us, does anyone know roughly what time the vote might take place?

I've actually had enough of the shouting and roaring in the ordinary Commons debates now. Sorry.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:28

The A50 extensions are legally binding international agreements, which BJ even with a majority can't just cancel

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:28

Bebb, Benyon, Brine, Burt, Clark, Clarke, Gauke, Greening, Grieve, Gymiah, P Hammond, S Hammond, Harrington, Lee, Letwin, (still on app as Tory), James, Milton, Noakes, Sandbach, Soames, Stewart and Vaizey

OP posts:
LyraParry · 03/09/2019 22:28

Rebels:

Bebb
Benyon
Brine
Burt
Clark
Clarke
Gauke
Greening
Grieve
Gyimah
Philip Hammond
Stephen Hammond
Harrington
James
Letwin
Milton
Nokes
Sandbach
Soames
Stewart
Vaizey

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 22:29

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ on behalf of the poster.

tobee · 03/09/2019 22:30

Just caught a bit of Blackford on bbc. Is he saying snp will vote for election whatever?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/09/2019 22:30

21 rebels according to bbc. What do we think about the numbers? (and what cowards those who haven't rebelled)

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:30

Corbyn should refuse any GE until BJ has actually received an extension from the EU and signed it.

That makes it binding under international law, so BJ can't change it

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 22:30

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ on behalf of the poster.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:30

Hoey and Mann going the other way for Lab.

With Elphicke, Ivan Lewis and Ian Austin as Independents

OP posts:
fedup21 · 03/09/2019 22:30

Why has Nicky Morgan suddenly resigned from that post 3 minutes after Blow job’s failed vote result?

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 03/09/2019 22:30

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LyraParry · 03/09/2019 22:30

I'm gonna bet (based on loathsome) that the whip won't be removed tonight. They'll have "one last chance" to vote with the government tomorrow.

SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 22:30

All the details can be seen here: commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/711?byMember=false

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 22:31

the business secretary, has signalled that the Tory rebels will not have the whip removed immediately. In an interview with BBC, she said that she hoped that the MPs who voted against the government would “reconsider overnight” and decide to vote with the government to defeat the bill tomorrow. Asked if they would lose the whip immediately, she said they wouldn’t. They would get a second chance, she said

So threatening MPs and then not following through.....

We all know how that works in real life, don't we...(looks at DS)

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 03/09/2019 22:31

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 22:31

Many significant names on that list - the ones not afraid to flout the whip. If that threat hadn't been there how many more would have voted against the government?

tobee · 03/09/2019 22:31

Well done S Hammond still not going to vote for you though

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:31

kitten Those who didn't rebel are certainly not all cowards.
Many are Brexiters
Others are blind party hacks, "my party right or wrong"

lljkk · 03/09/2019 22:31

So ... is BJ tabling a motion of NC in himself? I gather that's his stated next move.

lljkk · 03/09/2019 22:32

Did anyone abstain?

TheNumberfaker · 03/09/2019 22:32

Bercow said chancellor of the duchy so I assume Gove.
What are the minimum timings for calling a GE?
To have a new PM by the EU summit on 17th, what is the latest date a GE could be called?

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:32

"So threatening MPs and then not following through"

BJ, Cummings and co must be godawful parents

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 22:32

What other threats does that loss of the whip entail - possibly the threat of being labelled an 'enemy of the people' and getting an inbox full of abuse?

Swipe left for the next trending thread