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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 22:19

Et al

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 22:19

Swinson makes a point of order but doesn’t speak in the actual debate. Not impressed at all. Succession of points of order from Remainers. They still haven’t said what you will vote for?!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/09/2019 22:19

Go on Corbyn my boy lol

Violetparis · 03/09/2019 22:19

Did I mishear BJ, did he say 'EVEN' if we leave on the 31st ? (so not certain), JRM rolled his eyes.

StrakerAndBarlow · 03/09/2019 22:20

Bercow's on fire 🔥
Blowjob is an angry, sweaty mess
JRM looks like he's just been dug up...

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:20

Maybe Starmer has been working his socks off, prepping Corbyn

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:20

Tim Shipman@shippersunbound
IN SUMMARY Boris Johnson, who says he wants a deal but not an election, voted to keep no deal on the table and will now back an election. Jeremy Corbyn who wants the Tories to be blamed for no deal and is desperate for an election voted against no deal and now opposes an election

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howabout · 03/09/2019 22:20

Per Robert Peston:

"I have belatedly worked out that BorisJohnson can and probably will accept the legislation delaying Brexit as the price of going to the country in a general election. Because he would campaign on a manifesto of leaving the EU on 31 October. So if he wins the clear commons majority he seeks, he could repeal that legislation in a single day before 31 October and could insist Lords do not block repeal (because repeal would be in Tory manifesto). So we are heading for a general election as a proxy for a referendum, with Tories campaigning to Brexit - deal or no deal - on 31 October. I really can't see how Labour could refuse to sanction and fight an election on those terms."

Yep, except even with an extension he can choose election after 31 October and take as long as he likes to Repeal extension legislation. As with current extension would (I think) be open to UK to reject extension at any point and Leave on No Deal.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 22:20

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Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 22:20

Gove was getting a telling off.

SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 22:21

As it happens, I thought Jo Swinson's position of not having an election that might allow the country to crash out during the campaign or just after, well expressed.

Anna Soubry spoke well too imo.

RosinaAlmaviva · 03/09/2019 22:21

Threatening to "walk away" is never a good negotiating position. It's not good practice for any operation where you want to have an ongoing relationship.

Agreed. The reality is that we can't walk away. It's not like leaving a toxic job or a marriage. We can't suddenly up sticks and go and be a small island off the coast of (eg) Canada. We are part of Europe whether we admit it or not. It's surprising how many people refuse to acknowledge this, my PIL among them. In their minds we are still at the heart of, not Europe, but our long-vanished Empire.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 22:21

Nicky Morgan has resigned as chair of treasury committee

tobee · 03/09/2019 22:21

Fun stuff over for tonight!

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 22:22

Hilarious stuff if it wasn’t so serious

Back tomorrow

Motheroffourdragons · 03/09/2019 22:23

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 22:23

louise You complained Corbyn didn't clarify that the bill tomorrow wasn't about blocking Brexit, but he did:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/03/commons-showdown-looms-in-battle-over-no-deal-brexit-live?page=with:block-5d6ea83a8f0845a5dab7cb09#block-5d6ea83a8f0845a5dab7cb09

Corbyn says he understands that MPs have some concerns about the Benn bill being debated tomorrow - that it is seen as trying to reverse Brexitt^
.But that is not the case, he says.

He says this bill is just about providing “vital breathing space” to allow MPs to find a way through this mess.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 03/09/2019 22:23

Straker Grin

Dontlickthetrolley · 03/09/2019 22:23

Right, I can now start labelling school uniform

CrunchyCarrot · 03/09/2019 22:23

Wow well I've been shouting at the TV (sorry neighbours!) Grin What a night.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:24

22?

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Violetparis · 03/09/2019 22:24

howabout I wondered about that, whether if BJ won an election he could just then cancel the no deal legislation. If I've wondered this surely Kier Starmer, Dominic Grieve etc will have too.

howabout · 03/09/2019 22:25

Ohlook Nicky has left her post on treasury committee because she is back in Cabinet.

tobee · 03/09/2019 22:25

Have they got the names yet? (Sorry to pester)

flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 22:26

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