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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:54

flouncy When MPs lose the Whip, they no longer sit on the govt benches

A few might cross over to join the Ldems, but I expect most to sit with the Independents

  • already the largest group of Indies for many years. Now it might even exceed the number of SNP MPs !

However, the Indies are a motley crew, including at least a couple of Brexiters, so not a coherent grouping

Hazardtired · 03/09/2019 21:54

Which vote is this one?

Just watched live feed on phone in time for DIVERSION!

TheABC · 03/09/2019 21:55

Thank you to everyone commenting on this thread. Brexit is the storm, but you are the silver lining.

Outsomnia · 03/09/2019 21:55

Red Tooth Brush,

I thought it required a motion to move the vote first as in now. Then tomorrow for the vote if tonight's vote to move succeeds?

I am doubtful it will though. Sadly.

What happens if it doesn't?

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:56

Mark Francois confirmed as deputy ERG leader...

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LyraParry · 03/09/2019 21:56

I can't actually recall a Government in my lifetime without most of the MPs.

Wilson lasted about 8 months in 1974 iirc - that was before I was born. Don't think there's been one since then. Until tonight?!

tobee · 03/09/2019 21:57

Oh shame I haven't seen Francois's beautiful noggin on telly today! Envy

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:58

Jon trickett @jon_trickett
Significant number of Tories in our lobby

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:58

ABC It takes losing a formal vote of No Confidence to remove a PM

Then he remains caretaker until a new PM is appointed,
either after a replacement e.g. Corbyn, gains the support of a majority of the HoC,
or if no replacement can be agree within 14 days, then after a GE, which is called automatically

Labour are not currently calling for a VoNC, because of the risk of a GE running over Brexit and automatically bringing No Deal

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 21:58

Oh, I though they'd said on Sky news that they're not bothering with the first vote and this is the big one?

I may well be wrong!!!

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:59

Parly @parlyapp
At least 10 Tory MPs are in the aye lobby

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Hasenstein · 03/09/2019 21:59

Mark Francois confirmed as deputy ERG leader...

God, they must be bloody desperate.

LyraParry · 03/09/2019 21:59

@IanDunt saying this is the main vote rtb.

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 22:00

Watch the tellers.

I think that the tellers should just stand in random places - so the result comes as a surprise to everybody.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:00

Isabel Hardman @isabelhardman
Little knot of David Gauke, Philip Hammond and David Mundell swapping notes on the Commons floor.

Gauke has just walked back up to the Tory benches. Wonder where he’ll be sitting tomorrow.

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 22:01

Ruth Fox was explaining this is the vote to basically take over business tomorrow

tobee · 03/09/2019 22:01

God it'd be fuckin depressing if the government win

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 22:01

Sorry might be wrong about which is the vote.

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MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 22:01

What is this vote?
They keep saying Letwyn question and I’ve had to put dc to bed

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 22:01

He will be wanting a uniform to go with the title.

flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 22:02

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LyraParry · 03/09/2019 22:03

I need the loo and there is a HUGE spider dangling in my bathroom doorway - yet more evidence we are definitely entering the Last Days.

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 22:03

They mentioned the tellers.

Bingo

I have watched too many of these divisions.

boatyardblues · 03/09/2019 22:04

Lyra - can you slouch like JRM and limbo in past the spider?

Dontlickthetrolley · 03/09/2019 22:04

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