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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 21:23

Sadly, there are future generations of politics undergraduates who will have to plough through Pig-Botherer's tome, just like I had to wade through Wilson, Crossman, Benn, Castle, etc, (all claiming to be at the same meetings but somehow all in parallel universes.)

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:24

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
^MP texts on what happens next should Govt lose vote tonight & FTPA election motion (2/3 majority required)
Plan is to bring short bill & set election date. Also hear date could be moved to Oct 15^

John Rentoul @johnrentoul
There's a problem with this cunning plan too. If Johnson brings in a bill to set election date, anti-no-dealers could amend it

Bear with: If they change the date from 14/15 Oct to 7 Nov, that would force whoever was PM on 19 Oct (trigger date in Benn bill) to agree a Brexit extension

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DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 21:24

I don't see much point in winding ourselves up about that person lying down. He's said enough to do that. He might even be lying down to stop himself from jumping up and mouthing off, or to help signal that he won't. In which case that's good. It's also good that it might piss them off some more

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 21:25

I think the Speaker is allowing as many people as possible to see Rees-Mogg's shitty attitude for as long as possible.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:25

Theo Usherwood@theousherwood
To be inside Theresa May’s mind right now:

Within six weeks, the new PM has found himself in the same corner she managed to avoid for three years.

Labour MPs say they’re sorry. They didn’t mean it. Please can they have the Withdrawal Agreement back.

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LyraParry · 03/09/2019 21:25

I reckon Caroline Lucas has been reading this thread

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 21:26

At last Caroline Lucus admonishes JRM on his posture.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/09/2019 21:26

Lucas called him out lol

Laska2Meryls · 03/09/2019 21:26

From the BBC:
Journalist Joy Lo Dico posed an interesting question on Twitter, with an eye to Boris Johnson's possible defeat tonight over the control of the Parliamentary agenda.

@joylodico:

' Parliamentary history nerds: has a Prime Minister ever been defeated on his/her first vote before?'

Demonstrating apparently encyclopedic knowledge, the Independent's chief political commentator John Rentoul had an answer:- There was a precedent.

<span class="italic"><strong>@JohnRentoul</strong> - </span>

' Pitt the Younger 1793'

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 21:27

Where would the wacko Greenies be without Caroline Lucas?

flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 21:27

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GirlsBlouse17 · 03/09/2019 21:29

JEM looks so immature

TheCaddyisaBaddie · 03/09/2019 21:30

The rebels are being purged now apparently

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 21:30

What was the anti Semitic remark JRM made to Oliver Letwin?

NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 21:31

JEM looks so immature

It's like the worst sixth form attitude-posturing / trying to be cool and / or clever and / or different!

wheresmymojo · 03/09/2019 21:31

So Kate Hoey confirmed as stepping down as a Labour MP.....but not retiring from politics.

I think we called her as a BXP candidate some time ago didn't we?

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:32

EUCO meeting is 17-18 October

Dontlickthetrolley · 03/09/2019 21:33

Someone in Parliament tn has got to be reading this, someone's just yelled get him a chaise lounge! Shock

TheABC · 03/09/2019 21:33

I've always admired the gung-ho approach of Jewish scriptures towards sacred rest and reflection. Its as though a law court took charge of Rest-day and really put the work in.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:34

I hought Hoey is DUP

SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 21:34

Tom Brake calling out JRM now. Also made a reference to shorting the pound- didn't explicitly call JRM out, but it was there!

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:34

Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky
Blame game beginning

- some on wider Team Boris now say they recognise they are heading for defeat (“we’re f***)

- suggest Tory whips office has been underestimating rebellion (they put it at 10-15)

- and wonder if raising stakes via deselection was wise

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:34

I thought Hoey is DUP

SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 21:34

Ugh, that post made no sense.

What I meant was: Tom Brake calling JRM out for lying around. Then goes on to talk about people shorting the pound.

Yamayo · 03/09/2019 21:34

What did JRM say to Letwin?