Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

991 replies

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
36
phpolly · 03/09/2019 21:12

JRM's behaviour is deliberately disrespectful. I wish someone would call him out on it, as an aside. He really is showing his true colours tonight

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:12

Iain Watson @iainjwatson
Breaking -This is the full statement from the group calling themselves '⁦*@UKLabour*⁩ for a deal' They say parliament is being forced to choose between extremes. they want the(post-labour talks) Withdrawal Agreement legislation tabled again so MPs can avoid no deal but leave

Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire
Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire
Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire
OP posts:
DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 21:13

Can that deal go back to parliament again ???? Yes. Once parliament reconvenes after being prorogued

If parliament is prorogued Hmm ...

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:13

17 Labour MPs...

OP posts:
BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:14

The WA is the only deal there is

I doubt if any GNU could survive long enough to negotiate a totally new one without red lines
it would instead require Labour to win a GE and then negotiate - and despite the BJ farce, those millions of Brexiters will still vote for him

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 21:14

There was a good prog on R4 yesterday:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00082dd

All about how a fight in a HoC bar caused Brexit.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:15

Ooo election has been delayed already

Gordon Rayner @gordonrayner
Breaking -This is the full statement from the group calling themselves '⁦*@UKLabour*⁩ for a deal' They say parliament is being forced to choose between extremes. they want the(post-labour talks) Withdrawal Agreement legislation tabled again so MPs can avoid no deal but leave

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:15

Oops try and paste the right thing

Gordon Rayner @gordonrayner
Like @BethRigby , I am hearing that the election would be held on Tues, Oct 15 (not 14th as earlier proposed) to avoid a clash with the Jewish festival of Succot

OP posts:
woman19 · 03/09/2019 21:16

@UKLabour*⁩ for a deal'
The 'peace in our time' group. Kinnock by name Kinnock by nature.

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 21:16

Emilyontmoor I'm guessing we feel the same about Rees-Mogg and his love of posho perv poetry and his accompanying idiocy.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:16

The WA doesn't even need prorogue:

The HoC can simply vote to change its Standing Order, to allow the WA to be voted on again

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 21:17

Aaaaaargh, Hong Kong Kate Phooey!

Why hasn't she been chucked out of Labour?

borntobequiet · 03/09/2019 21:17

Just in and confronted by the horrid sight of JRM reclining and smirking. Quelle horreur.

fedup21 · 03/09/2019 21:17

But the WA didn’t get enough votes three times!

Are those Labour MPs saying they’ll now vote for it as it’s better than No Deal?

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 21:18

The WA is the negotiated and agreed deal which is on the table. I'm not surprised it's being called back. It should still go to another vote first, although I have no idea which way that will turn now. There's far too many variables in play.

Are you thinking all those 17 will vote with the government RTB?

Rhubarbisevil · 03/09/2019 21:18

JRM is louche

phpolly · 03/09/2019 21:18

I have been wondering if anyone in the UK is willing at this point to put money in Cameron's pocket by buying his book. I almost can't believe it is still being published

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 21:19

JRM is louche

Is that French for wanker?

flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 21:19

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:19

Tim Shipman @shippersunbound
Six

Yeah I bet they are crying with that Labour Deal Statement!!

OP posts:
NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 21:20

Well, good job I have a postal vote if that happens as I'm leaving the house at 6.45am on Tuesday 15 and get back at 6.30pm Wednesday 16 due to a gig in London that night!

Why non-Thursday proposals?

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:20

Hugo Gye @hugogye
Seventeen Labour MPs call for Parliament to pass a version of the existing withdrawal agreement to avoid a no-deal Brexit. How many of them voted for the deal on any of the occasions they had the chance? FIVE.

OP posts:
pigeononthegate · 03/09/2019 21:20

The Speaker should openly reprimand that spindly inbred psychopath for his appallingly disrespectful conduct. And he's shown his true colours again by quoting a disgusting misogynistic poem.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:21

Thurs 17th is last european summit date

OP posts:
LyraParry · 03/09/2019 21:22

Anyone know what time this debate is expected to end?

Swipe left for the next trending thread