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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

991 replies

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 21:04

Most of the MPs will be off having dinner, seeing there constituents or families. Some of them will be in meetings decided what to do next. They will all be back for the vote.

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 21:04

Can you even imagine, after all this bloody performance, if they voted the old deal through?! (they won't!)

NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 21:04

This is all getting VERY interesting indeed!

It bothers me that I'm feeling so much love for Tory and ex-Tory MPs, mind you!

woman19 · 03/09/2019 21:04

Fing Stephen f*ng Kinnock. Spoilt little get. What a dick.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 21:05

Can that deal go back to parliament again ????

cherin · 03/09/2019 21:05

JRM is incredibly rude. I wonder if he slouches that badly on his sofas (settees? What's the posh name for that?) in his mansions 'round England. Shameful.

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 21:05

Thought the Speaker ruled that the TM deal could not be put again in the current session of Parliameng

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 21:05

"Where is everybody?"

They are nearby in case the bell rings and they have to vote.

Some are hard at work in their offices dealing with correspondence.

Others are down the pub. Or tucking into subsidised dinner in the HoC restaurant.

LyraParry · 03/09/2019 21:06

I actually think many backbenchers have made some really good speeches tonight.

I hated the Coy Mistress poem when I studied it at school. It was the first time I came across the idea of being pestered in to sex - it was as repulsive to me then as it is now.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:07

Is that Labour waking up to the idea that May's deal wasn't the worst thing in the world after all??!!

God she must be pissed off.

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MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 21:08

May's deal plus a customs union would have passed and would still.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:08

oho, Lexiters want to bring back the WA

Well, it would be a lot better than No Deal
and atm it looks like the only compromise that avoids the bitterness of winner-take-all by either Remainers or Leavers

GeistohneGrenzen · 03/09/2019 21:09

Mogg is slouched on the Treasury bench like a surly teenager who won't come to the dinner table My thought was that he was lying down waiting for nanny to bring him his glass of hot milk...

cherin · 03/09/2019 21:09

Faccia Da Culo!!! (JRM) he's rolling his eyes

TemporaryPermanent · 03/09/2019 21:09

So what if JRM reclining 'is a meme'? It's yet another example of him thinking aping typical behaviour of history textbook illustrations of the 1820s will play well. One thing when you're a hilarious backbench mascot, stupid when you've got a grown up job. The great pleasure of this appalling cabinet in action today is watching its political and personal weaknesses being exposed.

Rhubarbisevil · 03/09/2019 21:09

It will be a chaise longue cherin

GirlsBlouse17 · 03/09/2019 21:09

TMs deal was shit though. May as well remain in the EU!

phpolly · 03/09/2019 21:09

would Bercow allow a fourth vote on May's WA?

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 21:09

That would be supremely ironic.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:10

Sebastian Payne@SebastianePayne
Shadow cabinet sources insist Labour won’t “fall into the trap” of supporting an election in a dissolution motion tomorrow.

“It’ll be on our terms after we’ve stopped no deal.” But hearing there’s private discontent between Corbyn vs. others about pushing for a vote asap. 🤷‍♂️

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OublietteBravo · 03/09/2019 21:11

Can that deal go back to parliament again ????

Yes. Once parliament reconvenes after being prorogued.

flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 21:11

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LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 21:11

By his own rulings he shouldn’t in the current session.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 21:12

JRM Reclining ?

I recall a poem by Juvenal about a slouching lawyer ("The Water Clock" from memory). It was worthy of Private Eye ...

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 21:12

Gordon Marsden didn't hold back there.
Describing Blowjob as a petulant manchild who can't get his way