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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:54

Margot James, now confirmed as a rebel too

I can't be the only one who keeps thinking of Star Wars quotes.

"You're a rebel now"

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:54

Tim Shipman@shippersunbound
The mood has certainly shifted in Westminster. I’ve had three texts from Team May contacts today who appear to be enjoying the corner into which the prime minister has backed himself. Two weeks ago they were looking enviously at a government with a plan bossing the news agenda

A fourth has read this and sent a series of party emojis

Five

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CrunchyCarrot · 03/09/2019 20:55

Dust Spaffer lounging in a rather bored manner as Dominic Grieve criticises him.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 20:56

JRM using anti-semitic conspiracy insult against Jewish MP Letwin Angry

He's either very ignorant & uneducated - doubtful - or it was deliberate

Imagine the furore in the media if Corbyn had said this
I doubt if the media will even mention JRM saying it, though

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:56

Tim Shipman@shippersunbound
Liam Fox quotes a senior French politician who warned him “you must leave after your referendum” because the drift to extremism in France came after the referendum on the EU constitution was ignored

Tom McTague @tommctague
I’ve been told on a number of occasions that Macron makes this exact point

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
Ultimate banter moment is when Macron vetoes the extension forced on Johnson

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wheresmymojo · 03/09/2019 20:56

Am back - promised DH he could watch GBBO so shall be splitting my time between here and biscuit week!

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 20:56

Dominic Grieve giving it back to JRM in spades.

MotherOfSoupDragons · 03/09/2019 20:56

How are the numbers looking?

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:57

Was that a smirk from Rees - Mogg?

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 20:57

Where is everyone? So empty

phpolly · 03/09/2019 20:58

fantastic watching Grieve take JRM apart

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 20:58

Mogg is slouched on the Treasury bench like a surly teenager who won't come to the dinner table.

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 20:58

So... assuming the government lose tonight, when will the election vote be?

Emilyontmoor · 03/09/2019 20:59

Oh and entitled prick in the English canon translates to "Metaphysical Poet ", you know the same canon that dismissed the Brontes as "hysterical" so they were not taught at Oxford until after Tolkien lost influence Hmm

NigellasGuest · 03/09/2019 20:59

No I think JRM looks sheepish

Yamayo · 03/09/2019 21:00

I know. Insane, isn't it.

woman19 · 03/09/2019 21:00

Let the trials begin. This on BJ for starters in Scottish court case today, where there's a question of contempt hanging...........

"An individual whose personal, professional and political life has been characterised by incontinent mendacity" (from the Official Transcript).

Grieve is such a brave man.

It didn't have to be like this.

Mogg's inciteful spiteful little nazi speech before, continues to incite nasty little thugs to threaten so many of our MPs like Grieve. Angry

Mogg, rudely lying down and pretending to sleep? He's using private boys' school tactics. That's all the front bench has.

Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire
Yamayo · 03/09/2019 21:01

Was talking about empty house, not Mogg.

boatyardblues · 03/09/2019 21:01

I am enjoying seeing so many backbenchers that I’ve never seen before. Some of them have really interesting faces, Tommy Sheppard being a case in point.

CrunchyCarrot · 03/09/2019 21:01

Mogg is slouched on the Treasury bench like a surly teenager who won't come to the dinner table.

Hahahaha that is the perfect image! Grin

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 21:01

Marvel or Marvell ?

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 21:01

"I can see the emperor's nutsack, and its pretty saggy" 🤮

< sprays brain bleach on thread >

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 21:02

Interesting

Laura Kuenssberg Retweeted
iain watson
@iainjwatson
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BREAKING: 17 Labour MPs including @GloriaDePiero
@SKinnock
and @CarolineFlintMP
plan to amend tomorrow's anti-No Deal bill (if the opposition win tonight) to call for the latest version of the @theresa_may
deal to be put to parliament. Their full statement coming up

I don't know why Theresa May didn't try one last time after she resigned but before Boris became PM.Unless that wasn't allowed

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 21:02

Iain Watson @iainjwatson
BREAKING: 17 Labour MPs including @GloriaDePiero @SKinnock and @CarolineFlintMP plan to amend tomorrow's anti-No Deal bill (if the opposition win tonight) to call for the latest version of the @theresa_may deal to be put to parliament. Their full statement coming up

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wheresmymojo · 03/09/2019 21:04

I missed what happened with the Scottish court today, could someone give a very quick update?

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