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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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CrunchyCarrot · 03/09/2019 20:39

That's terrific news, Cherin!

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 20:40

howabout There are NO negotiations going on
It's all a con and BJ / Cummings have said as much in the leaked docs

The EU have said so too

Also, farming / agriculture is only only one part of the goods trade that the backstop deals with

fedup21 · 03/09/2019 20:41

Are there many Labour Leaver MPs?

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 20:42

The Speaker has great staying power. He does get a break if needed and the fantastic deputy speaker Lindsay Hoyle takes over.

MaximusHeadroom · 03/09/2019 20:43

I can’t quite believe I have been cheering on Ken Clarke tis a funny ol world at the moment.

Me neither. But I have to respect a man who is willing to vote against what he is so passionate about because he believes it is in the best interests of the country.

I am at the point where I feel a soft Brexit is now our best case scenario.Sad

Ohflippineck · 03/09/2019 20:43

Hoooo

“Just gotta hope JC et al don't fuck this up“

That’s my fear, that after all those lonely years JC will now be so desperate that he’ll bite, despite wise counsel advising otherwise.

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 20:43

Look at that clown lying there like a store dug!

NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 20:43

Nick Boles' speech was great.

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:43

Are there many Labour Leaver MPs

There are a few.

leftfootforward.org/2019/09/how-many-labour-mps-will-vote-with-the-government-tonight/

woman19 · 03/09/2019 20:43

It was. fluffy

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:44

Sam Freedman @samfr
JRM "As the good boy scouts we are we will always be prepared". Oh please do fuck the fuck off. How can you live your whole life as this absurd cosplay Wodehouse aristocrat?

Scouts get off their arse to do things themselves and don't have servants. They also like to 'rough it' in tents. And start fires. They like fires a lot.

The idea of JRM acting like a scout is hilarious.

Jon Rentoul @johnrentoul
Nick Boles says he is the only independent progressive Conservative in the Commons & invites former colleagues to join him

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Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 20:45

I got a bit emotional there at Nick Boles.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 20:46

"US TV news is not interested in Brexit - Trump will not do a trade deal with the UK as the row with China is going tits up !!"

Thanks for the heads up, TiP !

Let's hope someone lets BJ know ....

Oh wait, do we have an ambassador yet to the US ??

woman19 · 03/09/2019 20:46

When people say our MPs are shit, I can count tens of brilliant speeches tonight. None obviously from the front benches though. Although JC wasn't terrible.......

dontcallmelen · 03/09/2019 20:47

Max yy regardless of what party he belongs to, definitely have to admire someone so committed to the conservatives for such a long time who has put country first, I salute him wholeheartedly & the other rebel’s.

DivisionBelles · 03/09/2019 20:47

This is gripping. Am simultaneously drinking wine, MNing, following Twitter and watching GBBO in the background. Any idea what time we can expect the vote? Not sure my wine will last much longer!

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 20:48

JRM complaining about "flouting parliamentary conventions^ "^ Confused

What about ProROGUE flouting the conventions, you dustwanker !

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:49

Am simultaneously drinking wine, MNing, following Twitter and watching GBBO in the background

Impressive multi-tasking there.

I think it's about 10pm

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:51

Nicholas Watt@nicholaswatt
One rebel tells me: I feel more sorry for the chief whip than for us. He is such a nice man put in a terrible position

Re Mark Spencer removing the whip.

Margot James, now confirmed as a rebel too.

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prettybird · 03/09/2019 20:52

I was trying to watch GBBO on the TV with the debate open on the laptop Hmm - as well as following this thread Blush

I gave up. Grin

I'll watch GBBO later! Wink

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:52

Dominic Grieve - another person who I respect on this.

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 20:52

Yep, To His Coy Mistress is a hideous perv pressure poem. John Donne wrote a few as well. They were on our Eng Lit syllabus when we were 14/15/16.

Emilyontmoor · 03/09/2019 20:52

Sorry but isn't the whole point of that Marvel poem to let me shaft you now instead of waiting for time's winged chariot to carry you off to death and destruction, even if, obviously (because he is an entitled prick) you will still love me?

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 20:54

I can see the emperor's nutsack, and its pretty saggy

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OublietteBravo · 03/09/2019 20:54

“Tonight is not a sealed deal - tomorrow will focus minds and expect Labour leavers to be considering carefully the choice they have ahead of them - Corbyn or Brexit for their constituents”

(I presume this refers Labour MPs with constituencies that voted for Brexit rather than Labour MPs who campaigned for Brexit.)

Umm. But Corbyn wants Brexit. So why wouldn’t they think they can have Corbyn and Brexit for their constituents?