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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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boldlygoingsomewhere · 03/09/2019 20:28

Great news about your results cherin!

Can’t quite believe what a mess this country has got itself into. Hoping the saner, common sense MPs prevail.

ClashCityRocker · 03/09/2019 20:29

Isn't that poem a guy basically saying 'look, you better put out, or you're gonna die a virgin?'

Violetparis · 03/09/2019 20:29

Grin wheresmymojo I have been wondering how Theresa May must be feeling.

howabout · 03/09/2019 20:29

I'm perplexed. If Govt loses 15+ MPs tonight how exactly does the rest of Parliament avoid a GE, with or without conditions? Surely by refusing one they would be equally guilty of "besieging" Boris in No10 as he would have been of "squatting". Hmm

Katya Adler also confirming earlier story on food only Backstop and EU preparing to accept it BUT not if no Parliamentary majority.

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 20:30

Clarke speaking marvellously . Appropriately contemptuous of Boris Grin

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:30

Is Rees -Mogg slouching?

LyraParry · 03/09/2019 20:30

Is JRM having a lie down?!

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/09/2019 20:31

The difference between Ken CLarke & JRM. It’s just depressing.

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2019 20:31

Haha Wheresmymojo yep Grin

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dontcallmelen · 03/09/2019 20:31

Singing me too, I can’t quite believe I have been cheering on Ken Clarke tis a funny ol world at the moment.

LyraParry · 03/09/2019 20:32

how exactly does the rest of Parliament avoid a GE, with or without conditions?

They just don't vote for it until a suitable extension has been agreed.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 20:33

I've been cheering on John Major too. Can't quite believe that! Warrington is also being served well tonight.

howabout · 03/09/2019 20:35

They just don't vote for it until a suitable extension has been agreed.

And if Boris keeps to his word and refuses to seek an extension? The wording of the text is that he doesn't need to ask before 17 Oct iirc and if they all sit on their hands till then ....

NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 20:35

DH just called JRM out as a twat, 'Look at him lying down there!'

I ❤️ Ken. I used to live in Rushcliffe and he's thought of very fondly there.

SansaSnark · 03/09/2019 20:36

Surely Boris has to think about the possibility of someone like Hammond or Clarke or Stewart standing as an independent splitting the potential Tory vote in his constituency, or even getting in?

Are there actually new candidates ready to stand in these constituencies at short notice?

Could government function at all if Boris withdrew the whip from even 10 rebels?

howabout · 03/09/2019 20:36

JRM reclining on the benches is a meme. It's his signature move - ask Jess Phillips what she sees in him Grin Sometimes you lot come over as very naive.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 20:36

Is JRM having an attack of the vapours?

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 20:37

That's wonderful news, cherin ! Smile
I'm so glad

ListeningQuietly · 03/09/2019 20:37

When Thatcher's ministers (Major, Heseltine and Clarke) are our saviours we KNOW the world has gone mad.

Camomila · 03/09/2019 20:37

Cherin so pleased for you Flowers

JRM looks like he's lying down!? though tbh quite a lot of them look like they are leaning ...

Ugh have to go do bedtime.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:38

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
Govt source setting expectations at defeat tonight but hoping to win Lab rebels tomorrow

“Tonight is not a sealed deal - tomorrow will focus minds and expect Labour leavers to be considering carefully the choice they have ahead of them - Corbyn or Brexit for their constituents”

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prettybird · 03/09/2019 20:38

Bill Cash being explicit that his hatred of the EU is because it is "ruled" (or did he say "controlled"? same difference ) by Germany Hmm

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:39

Does the Speaker ever get a break?
Toilet..a bit of food etc

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:39

Nicholas Watt@nicholaswatt
Government chief whip Mark Spencer has started to call in declared Tory rebels to say: I’m afraid I am going to have to remove the whip from you tonight

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