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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:15

Robert Peston@peston
One old Etonian @JacobReesMogg accuses another @oletwinofficial of "stunning arrogance" for allegedly trampling on the revealed will of the people to Brexit. And goes on to denigrate those backbench Tories taking control of parliament as "the Illuminati". I feel dizzy

Simon Cox @simonfrcox
Rees Mogg used an anti Semitic conspiracy label for the Jewish MP Oliver Letwin, @Peston

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NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 20:15

Great news, Cherin! Flowers and Gin

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 20:15

Blackford even

IrenetheQuaint · 03/09/2019 20:15

Interesting re the upcoming fight in the Lords.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 20:16

Glad the tests were clear cherin.

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:16

Ooooh Ken Clarke

woman19 · 03/09/2019 20:16

@IanDunt
"We should recognise that the people are our masters and show us to be their lieges and servants, not to place ourselves in the position of their overlords."

I'm not making this up.

Particularly noticeable how badly Mogg misjudged the mood, how lacking in substance or resilience Johnson was.

f you have sat and watched this all day - and dear God I have done - the constant talk about them all being so terribly clever and outfoxing their opponents at every turn seems laughable.

I guess what I'm saying is I can see the emperor's nutsack, and its pretty saggy.

‏Quite right. You do get the sense - and I mean this lightly, it's tentative, could easily fall apart - that MPs' spines are hardening.

Joan Ryan (ind): "Does he like me feel somewhat disrespected tonight by the contribution o the leader of the House, who disrespected our Speaker and his decision and everyone who supported this motion

He disrespected the Speaker and it's clear the contempt Mogg feels for all of us.

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/09/2019 20:18

Also did you spot his Andrew Marvell quote?

Back when I took my GCSEs 'To His Coy Mistress' was on the English syllabus. In the early 2000s it polled very highly in 'the nations favourite poem' - probably based on the fact people had done it at school and was therefore a poem they could name ('cause it sure aint good!)
JRM may be very disappointed to learn just how many of the plebs out there would have caught the reference.

Lisette1940 · 03/09/2019 20:19

That's great news cherin. Every small bit of good news cheers me up.

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 03/09/2019 20:20

Mogg's attitude to the consultant neurologist on LBC yesterday was one of the most disgraceful things I've ever heard, if not the most, from a politician. And nothing he's said this evening has changed my mind, the appalling man. He has badly misjudged the mood of the house and of the country, imo.

I never thought I'd be cheering on Soames and Nokes...

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 20:20

Just abother way of saying WTF @flouncyfanny Grin

woman19 · 03/09/2019 20:21

New ERG chair Steve Baker says Tories should have pact with Brexit party in event of early election

PerkingFaintly · 03/09/2019 20:22

Oh very pleased for you, cherin.

yolofish · 03/09/2019 20:23

yay cherin that's good news

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DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 20:24

Strong words in a humorous way from Ken Clarke. And all of them absolutely spot on.

GCAcademic · 03/09/2019 20:24

You do get the sense - and I mean this lightly, it's tentative, could easily fall apart - that MPs' spines are hardening.

I wish my Tory MP would find her spine. A constituent on her Twitter feed claims that MP had privately told him that MP believes Johnson is “a liar, a charlatan and a danger to the country”. Yet MP (previously Remainer) is now fully on board with Johnson’s No Deal shenanigans. Sickening how principles and the good of the country go out of the window when one’s career is at stake (and this is someone who could easily walk into a well-paid job were she to be de-selected).

LyraParry · 03/09/2019 20:24

I quite like listening to Ken Clarke. I don't agree with everything he says by any stretch, but he speaks well.

boatyardblues · 03/09/2019 20:25

Ken is great.

QueenOfThorns · 03/09/2019 20:25

Back when I took my GCSEs 'To His Coy Mistress' was on the English syllabus. In the early 2000s it polled very highly in 'the nations favourite poem' - probably based on the fact people had done it at school and was therefore a poem they could name ('cause it sure aint good!)

I have no idea whether it’s good, but I always liked the bit that goes ‘The grave’s a fine and private place, But none, I think, do there embrace.’

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 20:25

Just listening to great words of wisdom from Ken Clarke. Maybe the last time he will speak as a Conservative member if Johnson makes good on his threat.

AuldAlliance · 03/09/2019 20:27

Perhaps there is a reason why JRM was ever on this earth after all, if his snooty, smug self-satisfied hypocrisy alienates even Tory MPs.

Ken Clarke runs rings around these unctuous eejits.

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 03/09/2019 20:27

I have a lot of time for Ken Clarke.

Surely BoJo isn't going to withdraw the whip from the rebels? From Clarke, Hammond, Gauke, Soames? It's utter madness.

wheresmymojo · 03/09/2019 20:27

Not posting much as watching Live and Tweeting BUT...

If I was Theresa May I'd fucking dance through the lobby going against the Govt tonight humming Dancing Queen, flashing Johnson a toothy grin and a comedy wink.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 03/09/2019 20:27

Thanks Red. Can’t even attempt to keep up with the threads - moving way too fast for me.

Yay Cherin 🍾.

Sitting here thinking how if 1980s me could see 2019 me cheering on Ken Clarke she would be baffled and horrified in equal measure.