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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 20:05

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woman19 · 03/09/2019 20:06

@leicesterliz
Rees-Mogg visibly enraging Tory MPs who I would have thought he should be trying to persuade to back the government. Never seen such cold hard anger.

@davidallengreen
Remember if it had not been for Johnson and Cummings "genius" prorogation then this emergency debate would not now be happening and we would be on steady course for a likely No Deal Brexit

What happens when people think they are cleverer than they actually are

Mogg didn't know when the decision to prorogue took place either.
Careless......Wink

His allusion to Parnell and the People,..........spooky little man.

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 20:06

There are some great SNP speakers.

I just love watching the passion and the great speeches - from MPs on all sides of the House.

TheElementsSong · 03/09/2019 20:06

Then again, post Brexit that will be considered a light snack

🤣😆😂🤣😆

Myriade · 03/09/2019 20:06

@cherin yay!
That’s fantastic news in the middle of all this mess. :):)

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 20:07

There you go LouiseCollins. Someone bluntly saying he's disrespectful.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 20:07

Fantastic news cherin, about the results not the parliamentary stuff!

TheElementsSong · 03/09/2019 20:07

Oh, missed the good news from @cherin - glad to hear your tests were good!

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woman19 · 03/09/2019 20:08

Marches outside look huge: marching across Lambeth Bridge and Parliament Square full.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 20:09

They're all, both sides of house, clearly very very pissed off about that premeditated prorogation. That should have been expected, if the government knew the House.

NotaRealLawyer · 03/09/2019 20:09

Also did you spot his Andrew Marvell quote? The Minister for the 17th Century strikes again. Thing is, if I know it, it's not not as learned as he likes to think it is.

Time's winged chariot

Grin Ha! Also the JMR Sir Thomas More reference:
" A Man for all Seasons" (Great film 1966)

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 20:09

Great SNP speakers? well....OK, Not seen a one yet tonight from my POV.

QueenOfThorns · 03/09/2019 20:09

@cherin That’s fabulous news! So happy for you Smile

boatyardblues · 03/09/2019 20:10

Good news Cherin. Flowers

woman19 · 03/09/2019 20:10

@SteveBakerHW
Many thanks to colleagues for once again asking me to Chair the ERG

@tnewtondunn
Another Tory rebel name emerges: Richard Benyon. He rose to back Lewtin's SO24 application. Has told friends he's "80% there" to voting against the Govt. Would mean 16 confirmed rebels.

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 20:10

Of course she said he’s been disrespectful, she’s a Remainer!

cherin · 03/09/2019 20:11

I can’t put DS2 to bed, he’s watching parliament live and loving the Scottish accent! The Aberdeen planB might be quite realistic ;-)
(Yesterday a couple of friends mentioned that they’d move to Edinburgh, a GREAT teacher and a professor of medicine....)

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/09/2019 20:11

I was a bit too busy thinking WTF, flouncy.

Pilcrow · 03/09/2019 20:11

Very pleased for you, cherin

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:11

Paul Brand @paulbranditv
Lords prepared to sit through the night...

Nicholas Watt @nicholaswatt
So Boris Johnson loyalists in the lords helping out the PM. Am told 90 amendments have been tabled to an opposition business motion for tomorrow which is designed to find time to debate the anti no deal bill

Minister in the lords tells me they are trying to block rebels from ‘unprecedented’ move to guillotine (set a time limit) debates if bill is passed in commons and then comes to the lords

Supporters of PM in the lords are hoping to have two votes on each of the 90 amendments. ‘Hopefully this will take up 90 hours’, one tells me

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PostNotInHaste · 03/09/2019 20:12

Excellent news Cherin, so pleased.

Louisecollins this goes way beyond Leave and Remain.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 20:14

It was disrespect to the House she called him out on. I'm also pleased to hear someone calling out the lie that prorogation is normal at this time. This is a government in serious trouble. This is a country in serious trouble, with this kind of conflict going on.

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 20:14

I agree with that. Also, Ian Blackfoot being much more measured now which is good to hear.

dontcallmelen · 03/09/2019 20:14

Cherin so pleased you had good news🍷🍿

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