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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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howabout · 03/09/2019 19:51

Careful what you wish for.

This is the renegotiation for the Backstop - All Ireland food standards. iirc Nick Gutteridge reported whispers EU were finessing to accept this a couple of weeks ago.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49566657

DUP being cajoled onside.

If the HoC succeeds then this comes off the table and a No Deal GE stand off seems inevitable. Looks like the Daily Mail is willing this outcome.

flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 19:52

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PerkingFaintly · 03/09/2019 19:52

Camomila, you relieve my mind.

Well, something has to today.Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/09/2019 19:53

Gove is getting a hammering on medical and food supply lines a lot of them conservatives

woman19 · 03/09/2019 19:53

Is there an app to fade out sound on brexists in HOC?

peridito · 03/09/2019 19:53

Another here declaring lostness .

If ?when there's a GE and BJ wins ....what happens to Brexit ?

prettybird · 03/09/2019 19:53

And while this debate goes on, the spiffing new trade deal with the US (currently c 18% iirc) that is going to replace c.45% of the trade we did with the EU looks like it is decreasing in likelihood (even if the GFA issues were to be dealt with enough to get Congress to pass it Hmm):

TiP has just sent me this:
Message for the Westminsterenders from my Dad in NYC : US TV news is not interested in Brexit - Trump will not do a trade deal with the UK as the row with China is going tits up !!

Surprise, surprise Sad The UK is not as important as it thinks it is Confused

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 19:54

Why do people say Mogg is courteous? He is a hissy, slithery snake full of vicious barbs rooted in social snobbery who can't give a straight answer to what day it is.

You can get away with anything if you have a posh voice.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 19:54

Robert Peston@peston
However eloquent @JacobReesMogg may be, I am not sure he has caught the mood of the House with his attack on Tory rebels as flouting parliamentary convention and the constitution. He is stiffening the resolve of the rebels: "JRM is utterly winding up the house. His arrogance is staggering" says one. @BorisJohnson may end up losing by a bigger margin than he initially thought

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Janeaustensquill · 03/09/2019 19:54

Watching the debate with three teenagers who are thrilled by the drama, astonished by JRM’s slimy contemptuous filibustering and in awe of Bercow’s magnificent fluency and mastery of commons’ procedure in disposing of JRM’s cheeky remarks. For once Bake-Off will be on the back burner. Thanks to everyone for these amazing threads which have informed and cheered me in the midst of this shitfest.

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 19:55

Rees-Mogg won't say when he was told about the prorogue plan. Hmmm.

Also did you spot his Andrew Marvell quote? The Minister for the 17th Century strikes again. Thing is, if I know it, it's not not as learned as he likes to think it is.*

  • Time's winged chariot
pointythings · 03/09/2019 19:56

I can't believe everything that's happened - I've been in back to back meetings all day and am just catching up.

Which is a shame because my lovely boss is a hardcore Remainer who hates BoJo and tends to keep us up to date even when we are neck deep in work.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 19:56

But a bit of blatant flattery there at the end. That'll make everything all right mockers (what an appropriate username at that point!)

LonelyTiredandLow · 03/09/2019 19:56

Love the fact they are still pretending 17.5m is The Will Of The People...does he know how many people are in the country?

Outsomnia · 03/09/2019 19:56

Are there two Westminstenders threads on the go in parrallel at the moment?

Or do I need new specs? Can't keep up!

chomalungma · 03/09/2019 19:57

I've really missed BBC Parliament for the last weeks.

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 19:57

He’s not said much to alienate them, IMO, other than accusing Letwin of “arrogance”.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/09/2019 19:58

Oops I wasn’t watching it live Blush

flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 19:59

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TheElementsSong · 03/09/2019 20:01

Just popping in to lower the tone, this is IDS eating his bogies:

twitter.com/chunkymark/status/1168958760238366721?s=21

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 20:01

Are there two Westminstenders threads on the go in parrallel at the moment?

Yes. This is the current one. Other one only has a few posts left til it's full.

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PostNotInHaste · 03/09/2019 20:01

I don’t think his continued condescending insistence that proroguing for this length of time at such a critical moment will have gone down well with some.

Hazardtired · 03/09/2019 20:04

I'm not watching. DP has bake off on and I'm not sure it would be good for him to see the shit show. I'm crossing my fingers they start throwing breadrolls at each other in HoC.

cherin · 03/09/2019 20:05

Ian Blackford (?) the SNP is always a good speaker!!

(For the kind well wishers: Test results are good! All good! I can go back to be properly pissed at politicians without distractions!!!)

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/09/2019 20:05

I’m not sure the illuminati comment will have gone down particularly well either.