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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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flouncyfanny · 03/09/2019 19:42

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Butterymuffin · 03/09/2019 19:42

18 is more than enough, isn't it? So even if a couple bottle it..

pigeononthegate · 03/09/2019 19:42

How many rebels are needed?

PostNotInHaste · 03/09/2019 19:42

I am wondering how many MPs JRM will tip over the edge this evinung and nit in the way he wants.

Butterymuffin · 03/09/2019 19:43

Sorry- instantly regretted saying 'bottle it' as that sounds dismissive. They will be under huge pressure. I should have said 'waver'.

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 19:44

WTAF is JRM on about?!

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/09/2019 19:44

Attacking Bercow was never really going to end well for JRM, was it?

I’ve seen somebody else say 16 too, prettybird

PerkingFaintly · 03/09/2019 19:45

The state of Camomila's pointing is stressing me out, though.Shock

Please tell me that's an unused outbuilding, not your actual home? It's making me quite twitchy!

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Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 19:46

Is he trying to filibuster?

Sit down and shut up fgs

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 19:46

How many rebels are needed?

Less than 18.

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 19:47

WTAF is JRM on about?!

Boy scouts.

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DarkAtEndOfUK · 03/09/2019 19:47

If you need to go on and on about how much authority you have and how everyone else needs to butt out, you've already lost it imo.

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PerkingFaintly · 03/09/2019 19:47

Are those genuine Daily Mail headlines?

I'm astounded. They're really not happy, are they?

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TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 19:49

I think he might be Flouncy!

To coin a classic Mumsnet phrase 'Da Fuq?'

boatyardblues · 03/09/2019 19:49

Hilary Benn was good. JRM is awful.

Butterymuffin · 03/09/2019 19:50

Don't see how Mogg can decide any departure from convention he opposes is 'constitutionally irregular' when to his boss the constitution = 'whatever I decide to do'

Camomila · 03/09/2019 19:50

Haha, it's a shed for storing (farming?) equipment in Italy! Near my nonna's house...(which is a normal nice block of flats)

Violetparis · 03/09/2019 19:50

This good boy scout thing is ridiculous.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 19:50

Sky news breaking @skynewsbreak
Sky News has learned the Brexit negotiating team under Boris Johnson has been reduced to less than a quarter of the size of the team under Theresa May

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NotaRealLawyer · 03/09/2019 19:51

Following. Thank you for the excellent thread, it's been a while...
I dislike Bercow immensely for other reasons.
However, spot on with his come back in dealing with JRM's attempts to lecture him on how to be a Speaker.
As for Peter Bone...

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 19:51

Rees-Mogg is probably alienating his own moderate MPs here.

mathanxiety · 03/09/2019 19:51

Pmk

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