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Westminstenders: Game On?

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RedToothBrush · 29/08/2019 21:35

Johnson has had prorogation approved by the Queen.

There has been widespread outrage and horror both in the UK and in Europe. Johnson has ripped up the principle of Liberal democracy even if constitutionally what he has done is legal. In shredding convention and the 'gentlemans agreement' of understanding we teeter on the edge of democratic collapse.

Talk is tha Dominic Cummings is persuing a game theory principle of deliberately putting us on collision course with the EU. The idea being that they will blink first because the alternative of what will happen is just too awful for them to allow. The idea is to force others to make the moves whilst Johnson appears principled and strong, even without a proper strategy and plan for a deal.

And there is the rub. Despite all the Talk of no deal, at some point a deal MUST be made, regardless of whether its before or after 31st October. There is no sense of what that could be and how it could be done. And then there's the prospect of a US deal which suffers from the same lack of tangibility.

All there is, is how things look for a General Election. Nothing else.

Johnson is pitching for an election with no sense of what's needed for Brexit - including the legislation needed for no deal. Not to forget that Cummings, strategist that he is, apparently isn't here for the long haul, only being contracted until 31st October, when he goes for surgery he postponed to take on this job.

So what's the plan for Johnson Post Cummings? Or is he going to do even more 'winging it'.

Meanwhile there's an awful lot of moderate Tory MPs getting very nervous and already failing to stick to the Cummings script.

Johnson, until there is an election is going to firmly blow hot and cool, trying to play to the hopes and fears of leavers and remainers to keep them hanging on to hope and the notion that x or y will happen, when x and y can't possibly both happen because they are completely opposing strategies. Hope leads us blindly to stumble like fools into his trap and to win his reelection.

Next week looks very bumpy indeed. Chances are this thread won't make it past Saturday...

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mathanxiety · 01/09/2019 02:24

ListeningQuietly I have spent time this afternoon compiling a spotify playlist, inspired by a post of a cousin of mine who is heading to a rave in Berlin featuring music from 1978 to 1988. Ghost Town is on my list.

I wonder if the firing of Trump's gatekeeper/personal secretary has anything to do with his deterioration? It would have been wiser to try to keep her onside - unless she had spilled so many beans that she needed to be made an example of.

Hoping she was fired for something really big..

RedToothBrush · 01/09/2019 07:08

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/operation-yellowhammer-leaked-files-reveal-medicines-that-will-run-out-first-dzxc3kds7
Operation Yellowhammer: leaked files reveal medicines that will run out first
An inability to stockpile drugs for many serious illnesses mean shortages will hit patients hard, according to doctors

Senior doctors have warned the NHS to brace itself for the “biggest threat it has ever faced” if the UK crashes out of the EU on October 31, as a leaked internal document reveals the risks to patients from expected drug shortages.

Confidential files from NHS England, seen by The Sunday Times, list medicines that have been impossible to stockpile, including for schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, epilepsy and the chronic pain condition trigeminal neuralgia.

The documents, which show the drugs categorised according to the expected impact of shortages, also set out suggested measures for combating supply problems including flying the drugs in.

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merrymouse · 01/09/2019 07:28

I wonder if the firing of Trump's gatekeeper/personal secretary has anything to do with his deterioration? It would have been wiser to try to keep her onside

From the NY Times:

"At an off-the-record dinner and several rounds of drinks with reporters two weeks ago during the president’s working vacation in Bedminster, N.J., she shared personal details about the president and his family."

Given what she appears to have done (particularly things said about Tiffany), I'm staggered that she lasted so long. To use the classic MN phrase "Was she on glue?".

merrymouse · 01/09/2019 07:43

Trump's response is very odd (although I suppose normal for him). He forgives her for revealing personal details and telling journalists he doesn't love his children because she 'had a bad night' and then has a rant about Omorosa.

Hazardtired · 01/09/2019 07:53

Meds: is that why everything surrounding meds is cagey as fuck? They are not really prepared? I'm getting mixed messages left right and centre about DP's shortage.

And the wonderful singing last night like a magical fairy found it on Lloyds on line! This was after our pharmacist said its a no hoper its just gone and the Dr confirmed it.

It's feeling like everyone is a headless chicken.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 01/09/2019 08:29

Weary PMK.

Hoooo · 01/09/2019 08:31

hazard if my mn inbox is still not working ask singing for my fb info x

Hoooo · 01/09/2019 08:33

haz I'm back at a clinic tomorrow to try and get a coil fitted.

It all feels rather bleak today.

Motheroffourdragons · 01/09/2019 08:41

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SistemaAddict · 01/09/2019 08:44

RedToothBrush was there anything more specific in the article as I can't access it?

HesterThrale · 01/09/2019 09:00

Not sure what this says about us really!

HesterThrale · 01/09/2019 09:01

Try again.

Westminstenders: Game On?
chomalungma · 01/09/2019 09:04

So yeah...prediction remains No Deal and GE with Tory majority or Tory/BXP. May be the other way round with GE first but results will be the same

If you look at the polls in 2017, they predicted the same....
Theresa May went to the polls. And look what happened.

Tactical voting, constituency level tactics - all unpredictable at the moment.

Peregrina · 01/09/2019 09:10

you look at the polls in 2017, they predicted the same....
Theresa May went to the polls. And look what happened.

I don't think we can necessarily go by that. Johnson is probably not as dismal a campaigner as May was, and for Labour, some of the gloss of Momentum has worn off.

But I think this prorogation has caused anger among people who would normally accept things. So.... I don't know.

Fartage is being quiet.

Ohflippineck · 01/09/2019 09:13

Yasmine Alibi-Brown (irritates the hell out of me but ....) made an interesting comment on paper review last night. She wondered how safe BoZo’s own seat is in remainer West London. What a fabulous prospect!

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Peregrina · 01/09/2019 09:16

She wondered how safe BoZo’s own seat is in remainer West London. What a fabulous prospect!

5,300 majority, so very vulnerable. Particularly if the other parties do a deal and stand down. But I expect BlowJob to run to find a safe seat.

borntobequiet · 01/09/2019 09:21

Hester I must have been quite near you - the Love Island placard was in my vicinity! Agree it got very crowded as the day went on and it took ages to make my way down to Parliament Square.
(As a country dweller, I’m always amazed by how small Central London is and how almost everything is within easy walking distance.)

colouringinpro · 01/09/2019 09:44

Mother wow that is a powerful video. I've seen lots on Twitter with people analysing his speech, gait and walking who are adamant he has a form of dementia. Looks like they're right.

TokyoSushi · 01/09/2019 09:47

Is anybody watching Gove on Marr?

He's being more slippery than ever, implying that even if stop no deal legislation is passed they might not abide by it, and banging the 'Labour asked for a Queens speech, that's what we're delivering, what's everybody getting so excited about?' drum.

Hideous.

NoWordForFluffy · 01/09/2019 09:49

Goodness. Those two videos really do show a massive decline don't they? How is he allowed to carry on as President when he's clearly unwell?

Peregrina · 01/09/2019 09:54

He's being more slippery than ever, implying that even if stop no deal legislation is passed they might not abide by it,

So far Johnson and cronies have been careful to stay within the letter of the law, even though they have completely disregarded the spirit. Would this not be against the law? However, what sanctions would be available?

ARoomWithoutADoor · 01/09/2019 09:57

I think JC's vanity will make him think he could win a GE.
I think he would be wrong and we'd end up with BJ, poss with NF too :(
ie dont give BJ what he wants, it's a mistake

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