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And so it begins...

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And not the tedious "we voted Leave" stuff, instead the "please vote to accept an imperfect deal" stuff.

How about a bit of a rethink on May’s red lines?

Well how about if Parliament had actually been consulted before May went in with her red lines?

Yes I have written to my MP - he voted against the WA twice, then for it on the 3rd time

Well how about if Parliament had actually been consulted before May went in with her red lines?

What if's are unimportant now

Deal with reality, not hypotheticals

Lets nail this bollox.

Free movement has triggered a phenomenon in trafficking girls and women across the the eu from mainly poor Eastern eu countries

Women have been trafficked for centuries and it is the collapse of the Soviet Union that has led to this. By building up their economies, we reduce the numbers drawn into this torid trade.
The UK has huge numbers forced into slavery because we do not prioritise resources, tax cuts win every time.

It's also been a gun running free for all...

So how the fuck did the IRA ETA get their weapons in the 60s 70s and 80s pre open borders?

Crime is down to sovereign nation states to solve, so we have no idea who comes in or out of the UK but somehow using breshitter logic this becomes the EU fault?

You wonder why we think you're all fucking thick!

An instruction was given, it is up to Parliament to decide how best to honour that instruction

Yes - the UK is a representative democracy and not a direct democracy.

Which means MPs don’t have to vote for anything they do not believe is in the best interest of the country.

An instruction was given, it is up to Parliament to decide how best to honour that instruction

Again absolute rubbish.

The referendum was advisory, to inform Parliament what the UK population opinion on EU membership was, it was not an instruction at all.

It was for the Govt to decide to act or not on this advice, no more, it was that idiot Cameron, in order to scare the voters into choosing remain, that he said it would be honoured, its also why he ran away, he had no clue and neither has anyone else since.

Yes - the UK is a representative democracy and not a direct democracy.

A referendum is direct democracy
The instruction was given

The delivery of that instruction is representative democracy as normal

Thus, it was/is up to Parliament how we brexit, not if we brexit - that choice was handed to the electorate

Listeningquietly, no i will not be happy with BINO, they have had 3 years to work together to get the best deal but spent it pissing about and arguing like idiots. No deal is now the only option and that is down to them. I don't think for one minute it will be no deal, Boris put it back on the table and it's a case of who will blink first.

The referendum was advisory, to inform Parliament what the UK population opinion on EU membership was, it was not an instruction at all.

Why are you still fighting the arguments of the past?

We were told our decision would be enacted - it matters not whether DC ran away or not

The delivery of that instruction is representative democracy as normal

Referendums are direct democracy.

The UK is a representative democracy.

It was an advisory referendum.

There is no legal basis for the referendum to have to be enacted.

So “delivery of that instruction is representative democracy as normal” is complete rubbish.

This really is Politics 101.

Which means MPs don’t have to vote for anything they do not believe is in the best interest of the country

They all voted to invoke A50 without a sniff of a plan. They can't turn the clock back now, however hard they might try.

Boris is so obviously going to revoke at the very last minute. Then will come his Churchill speech, saviour of the UK. Expect rather a lot of truth to start leaking quite soon.

Remain voting MPs are equally as responsible for facilitating Brexit as leave voting MPs.
Nonsense. Straight after the referendum, TM started spouting on about red lines and Brexit Means Brexit and Citizens of Nowhere, and Red, White and Blue Brexits. In other words, the Tories threw down the gauntlet in a way that invited no compromise or discussion. It was going to be hard Brexit or nothing. In the face of this, why should 'remain voting MPs' be held 'responsible for facilitating Brexit' (or not). MPs have a duty to act in the national interest - not just to pander to the wishes of some of their voters. They are also obliged to represent the interests of ALL their constituents, including those who cannot vote. Why the hell should they roll over to help facilitate something they believe to be injurious to the nation/their constituents. They are representatives, not delegates.
Leavers whining about their MPs not following 'instructions' sound utterly ridiculous IMO.

They all voted to invoke A50 without a sniff of a plan. They can't turn the clock back now, however hard they might try.

And that doesn’t mean they need to allow No Deal to be the default setting either.

Dusty You should perhaps ask that question of the previous leave poster who bought this up...... i answered him/her.

Whatever anyone thinks of the referendum, one thing it was not was an instruction, legally it was advisory only.

My own feeling is that MPs foolishly enacted art50 without really understanding what they were doing, i mean a brexit secretary who doesn't under the importance of Dover? or those buffoons Davis & Fox - both failed in previous govt positions, charged with getting us out of 45 years of close economic and political integration.

Brexit is a 10 to 15 year project, it will never work being rushed.

We were told our decision would be enacted - it matters not whether DC ran away or not
Of course. Even if it means economic suicide. Even if we have to endure all the Operation Yellowhammer shit. Lemmings.

And that doesn’t mean they need to allow No Deal to be the default setting either

But it is the default setting.

After all, “Vote Leave” won on the promise of a wonderful deal.

Isn’t that what Johnson and Gove promised?

I am not remotely interested in rehashing the same old, tired talking points of the past.
Brexit threads on MN are so fucking repetitive.

The reality now, regardless of what did/didn't happen in the past, is that it is now time for MPs to do their job.

Deal? Or no deal?

No more fucking around demanding 'extra time for debate!' When they've squandered every opportunity thus far

• They pissed around for the indicative votes

• They piss around repeating the same old shite every single debate

• Sone devote every effort to finding ever more elaborate ways to push for revoke, others devote every effort to pursuing no deal at all costs

What would not acceptable is to decide not to Brexit at all
How do you define Brexit if BINO is OK?

No deal is now the only option
And yet it was explicitly excluded from the 2016 decision ....
why is it the right thing now?

time4chocolate

Yes it is.

And it’s a very poor outcome for the UK, especially given Johnson’s Vote Leave promises pre referendum.

Which is why MPs are discharging their requirement to act in the country’s best interests and not to act as delegates.

Thus, it was & is as much the responsibility of the SNP to shape Brexit as it was the Tories.

Given that May refused to include the devolved administrations in her discussions on how to shape Brexit, they had little chance to exercise their responsibility to shape anything much.
And when Westminster MP's are overtly rude and anti-Scottish to SNP MPs, that doesn't foster a culture of "we're all in this together, let's buckle down and collectively shape an obvious turd into a diamond."

Yes, the global vote was to leave, but it was recklessly arrogant to ignore the remain majority in Scotland, especially after decades of colonialist approach to the country.
The irresponsible use of North Sea oil revenues and the whole poll tax shitshow are still remembered in Scotland.

May's attitude towards rUK countries was unhelpful (albeit characteristic) to say the least.

I am not remotely interested in rehashing the same old, tired talking points of the past.

Because you can’t defend the indefensible?