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I am not remotely interested in rehashing the same old, tired talking points of the past. Brexit threads on MN are so fucking repetitive.

And I'm not remotely interested in people whinging and moaning that their MPs aren't doing as 'instructed' while giving no shits at all about the people who will suffer from Brexit. Let's not forget that not one of the government's impact assessments has been positive - in every one of them it's just been a question of degree of damage.

Which is why MPs are discharging their requirement to act in the country’s best interests

Are they?!

You actually think that they are acting in the country's best interests?!

A sizeable number of our MPs (across the house) have been doing anything but that

Refusing to accept the ref result or refusing to countenance anything other than no deal & repeatedly voting/acting in bad faith is not acting in our country's best interests

Brexit will happen
probably a no deal Brexit
it will be "interesting"

Because you can’t defend the indefensible?

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No, because it's tediously boring & has been done to death

I don't live in the past, I prefer to deal with the realities of the present

Agree Dusty it's 3 years of pissing around, missed opportunities and general bollockery😉. I can do without another 6 weeks of that thanks.

I don't know what people were expecting to happen in the next 6 weeks anyway.

Refusing to accept the ref result or refusing to countenance anything other than no deal & repeatedly voting/acting in bad faith is not acting in our country's best interests

In your opinion.
Some of us wouldn't consider their actions to be 'in bad faith'. You are clearly seeing things through a different lens.

The reality now, regardless of what did/didn't happen in the past, is that it is now time for MPs to do their job

Yes, MPs should admit they've screwed up and revoke, now THAT would be in the best interests of the nation.

As a PP said, not a single benefit of brexit has been given to any of us by this very pro brexit govt, not one fucking thing! why is that? You'd think BJ et al would have a whole fuggin list of positives... but they don't.

Everything about brexit is a bloody wish list.

Refusing to accept the ref result or refusing to countenance anything other than no deal & repeatedly voting/acting in bad faith is not acting in our country's best interests

I think you’ll find that the vast majority of MPs accepted the advisory referendum result (given the number that voted through A50).

Perhaps May losing her majority in 2017 was a little hint that her hard Brexit was the wrong track?

If May had gone for an EEA/EFTA option, reflecting the close vote but respecting leaving the EU, this would all be settled by now.

If May had gone for an EEA/EFTA option, reflecting the close vote but respecting leaving the EU, this would all be settled by now.

Agree

But the hardliners from both sides poisoned this option quite early on
And it completely tanked in the indicative votes

EEA/EFTA was proposed by George Eustice:

Ayes 65
Noes 377

And it completely tanked in the indicative votes

2 years too late - when the minority extremist ERG and DUP had been allowed to hold sway.

Both Cameron and May fucked up bigly.

I do think many Remain voters (and Leave voters) would have accepted the EEA/EFTA route as a reasonable compromise.

Too late now.

I do think many Remain voters (and Leave voters) would have accepted the EEA/EFTA route as a reasonable compromise

I agree

Of course EFTA/EAA type of solution would have been ideal, i'd have been happy with that and i think many leavers would have been too.

It comes down to what i said earlier, MPs did not understand what the EU is/does or what leaving entails.

Many would have been googling "what does the eu do?" on 24th june '16.

Too late now.

Not necessarily...

It's pretty straightforward a solution is it not?
Something Boris may come back with & put it to the vote

Parliament now laser-focused that this is crunch time: deal or no deal

It may get through in that scenario (providing opposition parties get behind it obvs as the ERG will not). I'd expect the DUP would back it as their bug bear is being treated the same as the rest of UK

That said, I'm fully expecting a bastardised WA to be brought back instead

Seems that some are still Googling Dover.

EEEA/EFTA would be a good solution, and one the DUP could support as it keeps the UK integrated (although I still won’t forgive the DUP for its views on abortion and gay rights).

But the ERG will never go for that.

And Boris has one eye on Farage and his no deal battle cry - Boris needs to (a) keep himself in power and (b) keep the Tory party together (in that order).

So, I don’t see EEA/EFTA anywhere near the table.

Just May’s WA dangled as the only option to stop no deal.

But the hardliners from both sides poisoned this option quite early on
And it completely tanked in the indicative votes

The Conservatives are and were the party in government. A government that relies on support from the opposition benches to get policy through is on very shaky ground.

The way the Tories are handling things now would be a bit like Corbyn winning the next election with a narrow margin and blaming the Tories for not helping him to push through a 30% tax rise.

The electorate were handed direct democracy in 2016, we returned a verdict.

No, the referendum was not direct democracy. That would have required different legislation. It's true that it would be very unwise politically for MPs to ignore the referendum result - but that also means recognising that almost half the country voted to remain.

Brexit has been a fiasco because Cameron assumed he would win (which in retrospect seems astounding given that he was relying on support from the Labour Party - public school confidence I suppose), Gove and Johnson expected to lose and Farage and Banks don't care either way.

Meanwhile I think most MPs and the British Public find the EU too boring to understand, however they voted.

So they shouldn't have voted if it were all 'too boring'; like I'd suggest the majority never bothered before.

So they shouldn't have voted if it were all 'too boring

By June 2016 the referendum wasn’t about the EU. It was about supporting a team.

merrymouse It was about supporting a team.
It still is. Or blindly following a particular religion.

There are still 3 options available :

1. No deal. This will mean the UK then has to start the whole process again, negotiating everything that was in the withdrawal agreement along with any future trade deal. No deal exit does not mean the end of Brexit, it means a beginning of a process that mirrors the last 3 years but from a much weaker position.

1. A nearly new and improved WA being agreed and voted through Parliament. If this happens, then everyone can move forward with negotiating the new trading relationship.

1. Revoking Article 50, I know that some Brexiteers get the screaming heebies if this is ever mentioned. It is still however a legitimate outcome right up until the last minute on the 31st of October. It being a legitimate outcome is a fact. You can have an opinion on whether you believe it is the 'right' course of action or not, but the fact remains that it is still an available outcome.

What is it about the WA that people are unhappy with ? Which bits would need changing and how, to make it more palatable to you ? Given that all the bits in the WA will still need to be negotiated following a no deal scenario.

Barnier has said they won’t renegotiate the WA.

He's said he won't drop the backstop. Doesn't mean they won't allow, say, an extra comma and a bit of lipstick to effectively allow the original one to go through.
He's making it clear that they are not going to throw Ireland under the bus.