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My vote doesn't count though.

I have voted in ever GE, EU and local election since 1997.

Why is my vote less important than someone who has voted once in the Referndum? (I am not talking about youngsters who voted for 1st time)
I am constantly being told by BJ he has a mandate for leaving the EU without a deal.

Where did he get that from? Ok a small minority voted to leave the EU - but we were constantly told we would get a deal.

Where is the compromise?

Do the 16 million not deserve some sort of compromise?

What about the EU citizens who never got to vote - do they not deserve some thought.

Bit instead people are assuming they 100% know the 1€.4 million voted for completely ignoring the fact that the Leave campaign broke the law and lied constantly.

I have always contributed to the democracy in this country and I will continue to do so as long as I have a vote.

Parliament not doing as the Electorate requested, how do you square that one?

MPs are representatives, not delegates. The UK is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.

Shame that this basic tenet of the UK parliamentary system is lost on some.

When the referendum happened everyone knew a lot less than they do now. I didn’t understand the impact on Northern Ireland; I do now and it is horrendous

So for those pushing no deal brexit as
The will of the People (patronising to most leave voters who like most remain voters are sensible types wanting a compromise)

As a no deal advocate what level of economic pain are you personally prepared to risk. (Eg please list whether you are happy to lose your job, house price crash, have your pension level Reduced significantly through tax to pay for costs of brexit)
If you believe this is all project fear you should of course be prepared to commit very strongly to a high level of personal financial risk as you know it won’t happen

@jasjas1973
OK.
Friend lives in UK but her Remainer family moved to Portugal to avail themselves of the extremely low tax Portuguese tax regime.

She can pay her cleaner what she likes as cleaner is self-employed, along with many cleaners. Cleaners wages, along with many other low paid jobs barely seen much increase in recent years.

Nice to pay minimum tax yet enjoy all the benefits created from enforced largesse of working tax payers. Welcome to the EU utopia where the rich get richer!

Ain't life grand!

I wonder if brexitarmslandlady will open a new thread - it’s all gone a bit wrong since this one started!

My vote doesn't count though

It counted exactly the same as every other persons vote did and had equal standing as did everyone else's, its just the result wasn't what you voted for. Unless you think your vote should be worth more for whatever reason.

So if a second referendum is forced on us and believe me it will be leave with an even bigger margin as it is now about Parliament not doing as the Electorate requested, how do you square that one?

If it's leave with a clear plan of what happens next and an honest assessment of the pros and cons of that choice, then I might not be happy with the result, but I would be happy with the process.

I wonder if brexitarmslandlady will open a new thread - it’s all gone a bit wrong since this one started!

Bear I thought this one was going quite well all things considered 😊. I'm up for another one.

I was talking about Brexit, not the thread time 😂

I’m still hoping that it is revoked and we can try and return to normal. I think so many people voted for leave and remain without understanding the implications which wasn’t helped by inaccurate information provided by both sides. Not enough was said about NI or the impact on businesses, jobs and the economy and so many people hadn’t realised how the supply chain would work for food and materials.

The opening line on this thread was ‘Bavk if the net Boris*

Since then highlights include the fact he’s lost 4 votes. lost his majority, sacked 21 MPs and his own brother has left the cabinets 😂

Bear just re-read your post and I think you were talking politically speaking (not pub wise as I first thought). Not sure it's gone wrong, just got a bit bumpy😂.

time4chocolate more people voted to Leave so I accept we leave the EU.

It was not by an overwhelmingly majority as leave votes claim. .
So because it was so close, there should be compromise.

And Leaving with No Deal is not compromising at all.

And will mean a country divided for a very long time. Probably also the break up of the UK.

If we left in a sensible way and got an acceptable arrangement in place with the EU which would mean we avoided the cliff edge the I would be happy.

Oops cross post - you've covered it off already 😊.

FreshFreesias

Tax rates are 14 to 48% in Portugal, they are not low at all for wealthy people, higher than the UK.

The cleaner, being self employed, can up her rates, it is not up to his or her client to offer more.

I think your "friend & cleaner" are mugging you off as my DD would say.

Just like the UK, Portugal gets funding for its poorer areas, sure we are a net payer but by helping poorer areas, we help grow their economies, meaning we can sell them our exports and financial services, in terms of eastern europe, greater economic stability helps them avoid the pull of Russia, surely a good thing?

So because it was so close, there should be compromise

There was but it didn't work out. We are now out of any compromises that would clear parliament with a majority because parliament is as divided as the country.

time4chocolate May's red lines were the problem. And she pandered to the ERG too much.

But if Parliament can't decide then the people must. And the Rebel Alliance are correct to wait until after an extension has been agreed before putting it to the people.

Then if the public vote for BrexCon then yes we need to No Deal.

We are now out of any compromises that would clear parliament with a majority because parliament is as divided as the country

That was always the problem, polling ever since the referendum hasn't really given one side or the other a distinct advantage.

Any new Parliament is likely to be divided too, if leave wont accept a PV and remain wont accept no-deal and GE might not resolve it either.... where do we go?
Revoke and start all over again? this time with a plan.

Any second ref has come with guarantee, cast iron, that pm is a brexiter, speaker is neutral or brexiter, solid laws, brexit mps sorting it out to leave.

Parliament has proven it cannot handle this from the remain pov, so it all has to be in the hands of the people who want it.

No deal should t be an option on a ballot paper as too many idiots don't know what it means and confuse it with not leaving. Options should be leave with a deal, or remain. A deal will have to be struck anyway so it makes sense to leave with a deal rather than after when we are in a weak position. Any poll needs to have the options explained very clearly and simply as so ma y people had no clue last time.

You’ve got a Brexiter PM and a Brexiter cabinet now. They haven’t made a very competent start, have they?

I spoke to a wealthy Remain friend who said tearfully; 'but it is the poor who will suffer the most!'

How ironic, I replied, that it was the working class who in the main, voted for Brexit.

'Oh, but they didn't know what they were voting for. How can a greengrocer, say, understand this kind of thing?'

The most patronising thing I've ever heard from someone who hasn't given their minimum wage cleaner a pay rise in 20 years.
This Remainer's family live in tax exile in Portugal. The EU has done so much for Portuguese 'peasants', she trills. Plus she raves about all the brand new shiny roads the EU (otherwise known as hard pressed British tax payers) have paid for, which obv. make life so much more convenient for wealthy tax avoiders to get around.

This sounds like complete bollocks. Portugal is not a tax haven. Who the hell raves about the shininess of roads? I find it pretty unlikely that she was actually in tears about poor people, or that she used the word "peasants" without irony.

I also don't understand why Leave voters get so offended when it's pointed out that many of them didn't understand what they were voting for. When I ask Leave voters what they suggest we do about the Irish border, many of them admit they didn't even think about that when they voted. If you weren't aware of the issues surrounding NI, of course you didn't understand what you were voting for!

Valanice many Lexiters completely understand the Irish Border. Just like JC and George Galloway they are in favour of a United Ireland. Just like JC and George Galloway they are anti Scottish Independence - they have a deep distrust of so called "civic Nationalism". Scotland is not and never has been One Nation. The only times Scots ever unite is when they have a common bogeyman. Otoh they are Democrats and so would welcome a 2nd Indyref if it means Scotland and England can finally sort out the dog's breakfast which is the Smith Commission. Constant Yes and pro EU rallies are just serving to legitimise Orange marches and counter marches.

Should I go on or do you just want to carry on insulting my intelligence. Riots in Govan last weekend. All caused by an ill advised Irish Republican march on a Friday night at teatime right on Ibrox's backdoor the weekend before an Old Firm match - never happened when Labour and not the SNP ran Glasgow City Council. Fair put a dampener on the united Celtic and Rangers celebrations earlier in the week. Happily we were all back to being united in defeat as Scotland vs Russia at Hampden last night.

Sorry. Handing myself a grip now. I am inclined to lose it a bit when people let loose with condescension all over the joint. [very large whisky]

Apparently the new legislation is open to interpretation and Cummings has his own interpretation of it.

Panic about how water tight it is.
Interesting that Boris could go to prison for flouting law, however flouting law to uphold a democratic vote on largest turnout for any vote ever.

I cannot fathom how anyone who believes in democracy thinks this is acceptable!l?

Or is everyone as supposedly as fearsomly intelligent as Emily thornberry who managed to... Give labour plans to get a good deal and then campaign agaisnt it

Too many 'as'