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twofingerstoEverything · 31/08/2019 18:58

Leavers have been patiently waiting for 3 years, and we are no nearer to leaving.
Well, isn't that what happens when you have no plan and then expect a bunch of incompetent Leavers like David Davis, Dominic Raab and Liam Fox to contribute to managing a satisfactory departure? Frankly, you should have thought of that before voting (and Cameron definitely should have thought of it before putting it to the people).

twofingerstoEverything · 31/08/2019 19:01

You’re being played - it’ll be a fudged WA at the final hour in order to avoid no deal.
This is my belief, too. At least the whole country can be united in its anger and disappointment then.

bellinisurge · 31/08/2019 19:07

Awful noisy bunch of needy whiny gobshites = patiently waiting.

DustyDiamond · 31/08/2019 19:09

It’s not up to people who voted remain to work out how to leave.

Except it is.
Remain voting MPs are equally as responsible for facilitating Brexit as leave voting MPs.

It's up to people who voted either way who sit in HoC to work it out, but a significant number on both sides have refused to do so in favour of politicking, cheap point scoring & continuous efforts to frustrate the process of exit.

There is little, if any, trust left in MPs now because so many of them have proved duplicitous, disingenuous and self-serving.

I cannot comprehend why ordinary members of the public are still fighting with each other about who voted what way/who is 'responsible' etc.
Over 3 years on from the ref, that sort of bollocks is inconsequential & unimportant.

The electorate were handed direct democracy in 2016, we returned a verdict.
The onus was then on Parliament to deliver on that instruction.
Dickheads in WM across all parties & from both sides of Brexit have repeatedly acted in bad faith ever since.

bellinisurge · 31/08/2019 19:21

DustyDiamond - I've explained a possible solution, Bearbehind disagrees with it but has also suggested that we will end up with a WA 2.0 fudge of a Deal.
We are both "Remainers" in the mind of BeLeavers. That's a solution right there.
What do BeLeavers come up with? More whining about how no one understands them and petulant harrumphs about how it has to be "No Deal".
If that's the best BeLeavers can muster no wonder they are so desperately clinging to Johnson. Who would shaft his own mother.

Gottastopspendingmoney · 31/08/2019 19:26

I do not I the SNP can be blamed- Scotland voted overwhelmingly to leave.

DUP are a NI party so should have been representing the people of NI.

Labour understandably had concerns about the WA agreement and I agree that both them and the Tories should and could have negotiated more.

Lib Dems - how many of their consituencies were leave voting? I don't actually know. But I disappointed in both them and Labour during the indicative votes process.

Tories - now them I do blame 100%. Especially the Brexiteers who consistently voted against May's deal.

We are on this less due to the way the way the Tory party have handled things. Labour have been woeful and Jeremy Corbyn needs to should erm some blame if we no deal but we cannot shift the blame. This is a Tory party mess.

Gottastopspendingmoney · 31/08/2019 19:27

Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain - it's been a long day......

DustyDiamond · 31/08/2019 19:34

Again Bellinsurge - as before you misunderstand me.

I am trying to be as explicit as possible - I am not having a pop at you, Bear or anyone else on this thread - I am pissed off with MPs.

I couldn't give a toss how people on MN voted, MPs not doing what their job is not the fault of ordinary people on MN

(I am presuming there are no MPs on this thread, but maybe there are?)

ContinuityError · 31/08/2019 19:37

There is little, if any, trust left in MPs now because so many of them have proved duplicitous, disingenuous and self-serving.

Let’s start with Javid, Hancock, Morgan, Rudd and Leadsom, who all went on record to say that proroguing Parliament would be A Very Bad Thing.

DustyDiamond · 31/08/2019 19:38

Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain

Yes, but it was a referendum with each single vote equal in weight.
The UK as a whole voted to leave.
Thus, it was & is as much the responsibility of the SNP to shape Brexit as it was the Tories.
In the indicative votes, many MPs (all parties) voted in bad faith & dicked around.

DustyDiamond · 31/08/2019 19:39

Start with whoever you want Continuity but don't stop there.

MPs across the house have been self-serving liars & charlatans throughout the last 3 years.

Doubletrouble99 · 31/08/2019 19:44

I think MPs who tell us they are totally against no deal should actually tell us what they are for and come up with their suggestions for an alternative. But of course they won't because they are anti Brexit and want to revoke A50. Which is more than a bit rich considering their bleating, crying and outrage at the proroguing of parliament.
What they actually want is far from democratic they've had months of debate and votes where none of them could come up with a consensus as to what to agree to move us towards a deal.

DustyDiamond · 31/08/2019 19:47

YY Double!

There will be no resolution until the anti-brexit MPs accept that we are leaving

I am completely in favour of the prorogation - they've had over 3 years of bollockery.

Time to make a choice - deal or no deal

merrymouse · 31/08/2019 19:51

Remain voting MPs are equally as responsible for facilitating Brexit as leave voting MPs

Two problems there.

1). Many of them did try to facilitate Brexit, but the WA was scuppered by Leave voting MPs. It’s very difficult to facilitate a Brexit that leavers can’t agree on.

2). No elected MP has a duty to support a particular policy. They must obey the law, and they might risk being demoted or (rarely) deselected but democracy is fluid and opposition is part of how parliament works. Laws are passed because the government has the support of a majority. Theresa May lost a significant part of her majority in 2017, and the opposition are not required to make up the shortfall.

ListeningQuietly · 31/08/2019 19:53

The deal should have been negotiated (cross party) BEFORE invoking A50
TM's red lines were mutually incompatible = deal that everybody hated

merrymouse · 31/08/2019 19:54

they've had months of debate and votes where none of them could come up with a consensus as to what to agree to move us towards a deal.

This is an accurate description of Leave supporting MPs who have had far longer than 3 years to work out how to leave the EU.

ContinuityError · 31/08/2019 19:57

DustyDiamond We have a legislature to act as a check and balance on the executive for a reason.

Wineandchill · 31/08/2019 19:59

Dustydiamond. You are spot on. They asked us to vote and we did, it was their job to sort out the how.

ContinuityError · 31/08/2019 19:59

I think MPs who tell us they are totally against no deal should actually tell us what they are for and come up with their suggestions for an alternative

How about a bit of a rethink on May’s red lines?

ListeningQuietly · 31/08/2019 20:00

They asked us to vote and we did, it was their job to sort out the how.
So if they now settle on BINO, will you be happy?

DustyDiamond · 31/08/2019 20:05

Check & balance I've no problem with - but continuous active efforts to thwart Brexit are not that.

Our democracy only works with loser's consent - anti Brexit MPs have reached far beyond their remit (as have hard-Line brexiters)

Carry on blaming, berating & demanding answers from leave supporters in the general public if that makes you feel better, but I'm long past giving a toss about what way people voted or why.

I voted leave, leave won the ref, and as such I (quite reasonably) expect parliament to do as it was instructed and deliver brexit.

DustyDiamond · 31/08/2019 20:06

How about a bit of a rethink on May’s red lines?

Parliament was given this exact opportunity with the indicative votes

They chose instead to play games & not vote in good faith

ContinuityError · 31/08/2019 20:08

Check & balance I've no problem with - but continuous active efforts to thwart Brexit are not that

I think you’ll find it was the ERG who continually voted down May’s Brexit deal.

Never mind - you’ll see it again in October with a different name.

bellinisurge · 31/08/2019 20:08

@DustyDiamond have you written to your MP and told them this or maybe (if you are happy to go public) comment to that effect on their Facebook page or Twitter account?
If not, maybe you should.

DustyDiamond · 31/08/2019 20:09

So if they now settle on BINO, will you be happy?

It wasn't my ideal outcome, but if that's decided as the course of action then so be it

What would not acceptable is to decide not to Brexit at all

An instruction was given, it is up to Parliament to decide how best to honour that instruction

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