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Miljah - " I voted to leave because I felt it was the right decision......"

That could apply to some remain voters as well. Even in a GE people vote for all sorts of weird and wonderful reasons.

I want a unicorn.
My unicorn looks like this:

People who voted Leave go marching in the streets. They call for those who deceived & misled them in 2016 to be turfed out of power. The marchers label those who broke all their promises & promised a post-Brexit paradise they couldn't deliver: Liars. Coz they were & are. Those furious about being misled demand revoke & a proper plan to be devised and implemented competently before Brexit is again proposed.

How can anyone define Brexit as the endpoint? You were promised so many things. Don't you feel livid if you don't get ANY of what you were told you were voting for?

More broken promises.

Just .... HOW? How can those who voted Leave in 2016 not be indignant that very obviously none of this will come true?

I won't get what I voted for.

BUT NEITHER WILL YOU.

Leavers don't see the broken promises, ragged. They're like the people who believed Camping, the evangelist who several times predicted the end of times, when true believers would be taken to heaven in the rapture. Every time the day came and went, there was always an excuse, but the believers never lost their faith in him. They had 'feelings' you see. Convictions.

Far from questioning why they're not getting what they were promised (easiest deals in history etc etc), Leavers just pretend it's what they expected all along.

Ragged - I have said it before on here, but what the Government should have done before the referendum is put together a Brexit committee whose job would be to get the best deal possible for the country in the event of leave getting the most votes. (Which obviously was the case).

Instead we've had 3 years of politicians using brexit to score political points and further their own careers.

You do know people don't have to do what you say, that we are allowed to vote how we want, and if you don't like it go suck a lemon.
Brexit is new, which means there is no rule book.
Your within your rights to be upset, we who want to leave can see that your frightened by something you can't control, and that you don't understand why we would vote for something that you feel destroys what you feel was a good thing.
However all my life my grandparents and parents have spoken about the EU taking more and more control, handing down orders of this that and the other. Changing and becoming more and more a dictatorship of our lives, so given our only ever chance too leave we took it.
Yes people do see them as demanding more and more money, and giving less and less back, phrase it however you like but that is how they come across to the poor down trodden masses....

Darknoise - What's wrong with the union jack? Love a bit of flag waving!

Darknoise
You want some crisps to go with your gallon of bitter?

more of that language... about the "masses". Coz majoritarianism makes right, I guess, is the logic.

What defines the "masses"? How do you know if you're one of them or not? Is your viewpoint irrelevant if you're not one of the "poor down trodden masses"?

Is JRM a poor downtrodden mass member?

As far as I can see the only problem we have is that we are still in the EU despite the referendum vote.
Anyway I come here for a quiet drink and a chat with my leaver friends.

Dark, I am a leaver.
Please can I have a muslamic ray.
I have no idea what it is but I would like one.
But I do speak several languages. Do that mean I don't qualify for one?

Well that was a load of rambling nonsense from Darknoise

I’ve heard these muslamic rays are all the rage. Anyone have a fridge to keep my beer cool and a spare Union Jack as my bulldog has chewed up the old one.

Can I straighten out some convoluted thought processes here?

mummmy so granny told you to Brexit because attempting to understand what the European Union was striving for was too hard for her, thus, at her knee, too hard for you? Am I understanding that right?

Mamamai (20:37)- please correct your post that implies that I said - " I voted to leave because I felt it was the right decision......".

I voted Remain not because I felt it was 'the right decision', I knew it was.

Why? Because I see the EU as being by no means infallible. By no means 'corruption free' (and let's face it, it has enough Brit MEPs who are happily collecting their salary, and pensions in due course who turn their backs on the parliament they've been voted onto... to me, that's corruption (and deeply embarrassing, nationally) in action); but yes, not always working in everyone's best interests.

BUT it has kept the dogs of war at bay for 70 years; it has Vladimir seething (but then- maybe some on here find the idea of denying Vladimir his rightful eastern European empire repugnant?); it has Trump attempting to pick off what he sees as a potentially lucrative runt. Delighted that he has Boris/Cummings to do the hard work for him. But which he cannot touch while Britain remains in the EU. It has brought many prosperity- many of those it hasn't is because they have either not bothered to vote locally or nationally (all those words in those nasty manifestos!) or read 'Leave/Remain' in an EU referendum as 'Stick it to The Maaaan!' - because they are not educated well enough to realise they're 'sticking it' to themselves.

I knew what, as a Remainer, I was voting for. What I already had. Writ large before me.

An imperfect, sometimes maddening, often clunky, sometimes obtuse - yet ever evolving, changing, adapting... institution, that has continued to allow us lazy, whining, under-educated, yet superior Brits a place at Top Tables we've long since lost our right to sit at.

Maybe a No Deal Brexit is the arse whopping we need.

But I want you and your DC's arses whopped over this, since you have chosen this, not me, or mine's.

(Luckily we have dual citizenship, tho non-EU).

Wrt the backstop problem in the WA, I've just seen this article on Twitter - it seems sensible to me, but obvs I may be missing something.

Could the DUP be convinced by the language of 'free port status' rather than the contentious idea that they're being cleaved off from rest of UK?

www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/the-uk-already-has-a-plan-that-would-break-the-brexit-backstop-deadlock-1.4001590%3fmode=amp

@Mamamia456 "Ragged - I have said it before on here, but what the Government should have done before the referendum is put together a Brexit committee whose job would be to get the best deal possible for the country in the event of leave getting the most votes. (Which obviously was the case)."

"Instead we've had 3 years of politicians using brexit to score political points and further their own careers."

Oh, oh, Mamamia. Yes. That's what they should have done. But they didn't.

However, on a brighter note, that didn't stop many like you voting Leave despite the fact you had no idea what 'Leave' would look like. (Here's Brexit Johnny! )

Then you wonder why, at best, Remainers 'question' your thought processes, and at worst, cry 'Gammon'.

Own your vote. And why you decided to cast it that way, in the absence of any idea what 'Brexit' would look like.

Which now appears to be dictatorship.

Well done.

@mummy17 the EU is a dictatorship?

I'm sorry but it would seem you don't even have a handle on the English language.

Sorry you can't understand the "comes over as " bit.

It means people see it as, not that it is

Yeah let's go with that .
17 Million leave voters have been brainwashed by our elders, we are doing it to our children and friends.
Therefore we don't need to explain anymore and since we keep having children we will soon total outnumber everyone.

@DustyDiamond , plenty on here been suggesting similar. I could live with it and people like @mummmy2017 would get their Brexit. Although they would be whining fir another 40 years about it not being a perfect Brexit.

Hard Brexit MPs would vote against it definitely.
But if the self styled 'anti no-dealers' were genuine about just being anti no-deal then them plus pragmatic Brexit supporting MPs would number enough to push it over the line.

Sadly, I don't believe the motivations of most of the 'anti no-dealers' - they're simply anti-brexit & I expect they'd still block it.
(Agree with them or not, at least the hard brexiters are transparent & consistent in their stance)

No deal will happen because of all the efforts to stop it, instead of working as team UK there are so many shouting me me me that nothing ever got sorted and time ran out

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/stephen-barclay-on-car-industry-and-brexit-1-6245236

Oh dear the Brexit Secretary is only just realising that work needs to be done to gets things ready. Sounds like someone has told him about industries being brought to a halt in production due to JIT. You couldn’t make this up if you tried!

@DustyDiamond , I voted Remain. I accept an orderly Brexit. I supported WA for that reason. I despise No Deal and would do anything to stop it. Even support that twat Corbyn if I had to. That is not a unique position. Perhaps if Leavers spent a bit less time complaining about how no one understands them and a bit more time listening to people like me, we'd make some progress and get a compromise that delivers a majority.