Arbitration needed!

[Bearbehind]

bellin and I have had this argument many times and both think we’re right so I’m looking for arbitration! 😂

I think NI becoming a special economic zone won’t happen because the Tories won’t put it to a vote as they’d lose the support of the DUP and thus their working majority

bellini thinks the Tories would be prepared to put this to the vote because stopping no deal is more important than anything else

Who’s right?

The difference is. I ain't wedded to anything other than avoiding No Deal. I will never roll over and say "fuck it".

So you'd vote Tory for Tories to "own this mess"

Yep - why should any other party have to deal with the fall out

Tories gonna tory, well you're a No Dealer now Bear and off back to the fold of hating the poor and vulnerable, not really a suprise

Tories gonna tory, well you're a No Dealer now Bear and off back to the fold of hating the poor and vulnerable, not really a surprise

It must get jolly tiring hating every single person who’s ever voted Tory just

Well, poster00 has a point, if the pro eu tory voters had bothered to read their manifesto in 2015, we'd not be in this living nightmare would we.

I mean, why would any europhile vote for a party that has an EU in/out referendum as a key policy?

On top of that, the Tories had been screwing down the poor and the vulnerable for the past 5 years but you people still voted for these charlatans.

FGS you can’t blame everyone who’s ever voted Tory for all the countries ills.

What’s the alternative? Labour and their magic money tree?

Blame doesn’t solve this mess either, it just eats you up

I mean, why would any europhile vote for a party that has an EU in/out referendum as a key policy?

That manifesto also had a commitment to the Single Market, remember?
They probably also believed Cameron and thought Remain would just win, but be enough to give him a scare.

if the pro eu tory voters had bothered to read their manifesto in 2015, we'd not be in this living nightmare would we.

No one thought leave would win, including those leading the leave campaign.

It was just supposed to shut the anti EU mob up

If you want to blame anyone blame those who used it as a protest vote and don’t care about the EU at all - that’s who got this over the line

What’s the alternative? Labour and their magic money tree?

According to Johnson and Javids spending plan they found the money tree forest

Bear try reading up on keynesian economics and how had that been enacted after the 2008 crash we wouldnt be where we are now, if the political choice of austerity wasnt inflicted on the poorest and least able to weather it we wouldnt be were we are at today

You worry about the UK splittiing up, its always the English who worry about it and the rest of us cant wait to go, Jesus Bear you have no clue about the state of the UK in your little Tory bubble

just I appreciate you think calling someone a Tory is the ultimate insult but it serves no purpose.

I’ve changed my mind, I’m now politicallyhomeless but won’t and haven’t voted Tory since 2015. If you want to hold it against me forever then I can’t stop you

One thing I have noticed recently is how bitter some Remainers are becoming - that’s not helping anything or anyone, especially themselves

It’s an awful situation which we shouldn’t be in but we are so we just need to get on with it

It must get jolly tiring hating every single person who’s ever voted Tory just

I got my ESA/PIP re-assessment letter for my disability yesterday Bear, and so I have to go through the stress of possibly losing all of my income and possibly losing all of my support including my house if I fail

my mental health disability is due to some shitty genetics and even shittier luck and because of that I'll never have savings, I'll never have a pension that I could probably live off tbh some weeks I dont have enough money to eat, I'll never have a decent car but what I do have a plenty is Tories telling me that the way to better mental health and life outcomes is to work, not sure how work is going to change my genetics and all I have to look forward to as hateful people like yourself keep voting in the Tories is less and less money to live off

So no it doesnt get tiring hating the Tories and those who vote for them, at all, not even close

As much as I hate Corbyn, I don't think the "magic money tree" argument really works for Tories anymore.

all I have to look forward to as hateful people like yourself keep voting in the Tories is less and less money to live off

Insulting me even though I’ve said I no longer support them is tedious

I don’t envy your situation but neither do I believe it would be totally different under Labour - it’s a really crappy set of circumstances

No one thought leave would win, including those leading the leave campaign

That doesn't cut it, remain rarely had more than 3 or 4% lead, well within the margin of error.

The point being made here, is remainers like to blame leave voters or the DC & May govt's but ultimately those who voted in DC (in 2015) should accept some responsibility for their actions.

We now appear to be having the home of parliamentary democracy shut down to get us a no deal brexit... well done.

Again is support of Bear I would say the following;

Not all those who vote Conservative support leaving the EU. Likewise it has been estimated that 60% of labour voters support leaving the EU.

As I said above, I’ve noticed a lot of Remainers on here who feel the need to blame people for this - I don’t see the point - it just makes you bitter and changes nothing

Johnson is going to ask the Queen to suspend Parliament. Hope you No Dealers are happy.
I don't think it's over yet, though.

Johnson is going to ask the Queen to suspend Parliament. Hope you No Dealers are happy.

Again more bitterness and blame

It’s absolutely horrendous that he’s doing that and that people see it as ‘taking back control’

No deal really is looking like the only option now and pretending otherwise isn’t going to change that

The point being made here, is remainers like to blame leave voters or the DC & May govt's but ultimately those who voted in DC (in 2015) should accept some responsibility for their actions

DC promised a referendum if he was elected and that will have swayed some for sure. However, not all those who vote Conservative support leaving the EU. Likewise it has been estimated that 60% of labour voters support leaving the EU.

Maybe DC won in 2015 as voters did not like the idea of another coalition? Maybe they remembered the financial holocaust between 1997 and 2010 that was allocated to Labour?

We now appear to be having the home of parliamentary democracy shut down to get us a no deal brexit... well done

I agree that would be an outrage if it happened

I can blame who I please. And my doing so doesn't put me in the wrong. I refuse to bend over for No Deal. If it happens anyway, it won't be with my consent.

Likewise it has been estimated that 60% of labour voters support leaving the EU

On the 2016 vote, for Labour, its 65/35 in favour of staying in the EU.

Tories were nearer 70% to leave.

My point to Bear isn't so much blame but accepting responsibility for where we are now.

If it’s true about Boris suspending parliament then he’s going for no deal

No one thought leave would win, including those leading the leave campaign

Well I did. When Cameron first announced it in 2013 I thought "what are you going to do that for, all the little Englanders will vote to leave". And so it came to pass.

However, I didn't think Boris was going to turn into a dictator and take us out without a deal. Not sure anyone predicted that.

I'm sure he is. And people will try and stop him rather than bend over and let him.

Having thought about it, I’m not convinced it’s not some crazy plan to actually avoid no deal

Nothing really makes sense anymore