Westminstenders: A photo opportunity

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Johnson likes publicity.

Any attention is good attention. Whilst you are talking about how crazy his idea is, the less you come up with your own.

And there it is. The lack of plan to stop no deal. Just a bunch of idiots who argue over who is more right about politics without offering up a practical solution.

Unable to see their own flaws.

And leading us ever closer to the cliff edge and operation Yellowhammer.

Not true. How do you distinguish visitors from migrants?

Coloured patches ?

Tattoos ?

We know the backstop is not the only thing stopping the WA, but we really should listen to the people in NI who would have to live with it
Latest Lucid poll, like the previous ones, show they would accept either kind of backstop (NI only or UK-wide)but even higher support than before

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Yellowhammer stuff in the Sunday Times is shocking.

But more shocking is people not paying attention to the other story in the paper - a majority in NI support the backstop.
cc all who repeat the 'anti-democratic' trope...

Northern Ireland voters back Brexit backstop

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/northern-ireland-voters-back-brexit-backstop-lbrjn0f5g

Almost three out of five voters in Northern Ireland favour a “border in the Irish Sea” compromise on Brexit
to avoid up to 40,000 job losses and an economic shock for its food and farming sectors, a poll has revealed.

An overwhelming majority backed a Northern Ireland-only backstop - opposed by Boris Johnson and the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) - as a way of averting a no-deal Brexit.

Northern Ireland voters have also taken a dim view of how the British government is handling the Brexit negotiations.

More than four out of five believe the government is handling the negotiations badly — two out of three said “very badly” –
and just 13% felt the UK government was doing well.

"How do you distinguish visitors from migrants?"

Passports stamps when they enter
and ramped up "Hostile Environment" all the time they are in the UK

Of course, would anyone want to come to the UK under the latter conditions
(except those fleeing Assad and the like)

What is oppressive is not passport stamping, which used to be the norm, but the nasty party's "Hostile Environment"

Passports stamps when they enter

But at present, given that there is no way of reliably distinguishing an EU migrant with pre-existing rights from a visitor, all passports would need to be stamped.

And even EU migrants with settled status will presumably need their passports to be stamped because settled status is not a permanent and unconditional right to remain.

But at present, given that there is no way of reliably distinguishing an EU migrant with pre-existing rights from a visitor, all passports would need to be stamped.

Special passport stamping sessions at town halls ?

Special passport stamping sessions at town halls ?

Still wouldn't tell you if the person had been absent form the U.K. for a longer period than allowed under immigration law.

People talk about this as if it's easy to prevent illegal migration by increasing border security. This is totally false.

Ds1s inhalers not available.

Bastards.

Thanks RTB, DH is white, luckily, but we’ll have to work on getting him to sound more Manc!

Still wouldn't tell you if the person had been absent form the U.K. for a longer period than allowed under immigration law.

Given the UKs equivocal support for torture, I can't really see what the issue is ? A few turns in the comfy chair will winkle the truth out of Johnny Foreigner, no mistake. Also be a boost to the British Bap Industry. And save on dog food.

Yes, obviously all EU passports would have to be stamped,
regardless of settled status or otherwise

I wonder if the govt will also start stamping UK passports, to keep track of the treacherous braindrain any large outflows or inflows of UK citizens

I've decided if the government aren't taking this seriously, why should any of us ?

The "Hostile Environment" would mean that stamped passport would be checked whenever an EU migrant appplied for
a job, a rental property, bank account, car loan, being stopped by traffic police .....

and if the stamp was over 3 months old and the immigrant didn't have settlement papers with them .... off to detention ?

I wonder if the govt will also start stamping UK passports, to keep track of the treacherous braindrain any large outflows or inflows of UK citizens

I wonder if there will be a law requiring UK citizens to use their UK passports regardless of any others held ? No idea how that would look internationally.

You mean an ID card system like many if not all parts of Europe?
Obviously the UK couldn't possibly do something that works at least reasonably well in the EU and elsewhere.

That is not good Hooo.

Lots of things happening already.

and if the stamp was over 3 months old and the immigrant didn't have settlement papers with them .... off to detention ?

Well, that’s the problem, there are no settlement papers. Apparently the Home Office is still squabbling over the crayons. I’ll have to convince DH to drive like a sensible person until they sort it out!

Yes, I think I’ve given up taking this seriously too.

I wonder if there will be a law requiring UK citizens to use their UK passports regardless of any others held?

The endgame for those authoritarians opposed to FOM is to control their own population. I read that barbed wires and watchtowers in the former East Germany were pointed inwards...

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Lots of little things happening already. Jigsaw pieces will slowly be put together to form .... what sort of picture?

You mean an ID card system like many if not all parts of Europe?

Not quite sure who that was directed at ?

Obviously the UK couldn't possibly do something that works at least reasonably well in the EU and elsewhere.

Well, not "as is", obviously. It would need to be designed to be specifically British. Like metric measures, the smoking ban, width of pleats, curtain sizing, and the definition of fluffy.

The endgame for those authoritarians opposed to FOM is to control their own population. I read that barbed wires and watchtowers in the former East Germany were pointed inwards...

presumably inspired by the Napoleonic defences at Portsmouth ....

Thank goodness for my pale skin and home counties accent!

I'm also feeling very lucky I'm back in my home town and registered again with my childhood gp and dentist as at least for medical stuff it's easy to see i've been here for decades.

The endgame for those authoritarians opposed to FOM is to control their own population

Also, a native population that cannot exercise FOM will keep wages low in the UK ...

Ugh. I feel like going and rebelliously talking loudly in Italian on some public transport now (no point, I live in Brighton)