Westminstenders: A photo opportunity

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Johnson likes publicity.

Any attention is good attention. Whilst you are talking about how crazy his idea is, the less you come up with your own.

And there it is. The lack of plan to stop no deal. Just a bunch of idiots who argue over who is more right about politics without offering up a practical solution.

Unable to see their own flaws.

And leading us ever closer to the cliff edge and operation Yellowhammer.

I'm finally back and just about caught up!

So poor Carrie now can't join her beloved Bozo in his birth town! She's going to be binned by him shortly then, I doubt he won't have had a heads up on that. Shame as I heard she had a lovely new job for an American firm called Oceana (true, not just a spookily Orwellian reference) and did a rather odd speech about puffins . Having worked in spin I wondered at why she suddenly cared about the environment. Hardly a huge Tory policy / vote winner. But it did tie her into big business for me. US big business of making it look like they are helping to clean the oceans, at any rate.

It's so hard to know what is being leaked deliberately and what Cummings has planned / how he is trying to goad MP's. I have a friend who thinks BoZo plans to delivery Brexit then swan off to US with early retirement on speeches. I personally think he will want power for longer.

The young vote has never bothered Tories before so doubt they care, in fact it highlights their audience all the more is getting their message.

I am wondering at Cumming's wife. Is she completely crackpot too, to have married and bred with a guy who honestly believes we should be colonising the moon?

theconversation.com/when-britain-can-deport-eu-citizens-according-to-the-law-86896
When Britain can deport EU citizens – according to the law
November 23, 2017

This article talks about what the law is - and how the UK seems to be flouting the ECHR (which of course we AREN'T leaving).

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/20/britain-will-allow-eu-citizens-criminal-records-stay-brexit/
Britain will allow some EU citizens with criminal records to stay after Brexit

And this article, also from 2017 states what the EU was trying to stop with citizen rights in a deal.

Foreign criminals will be allowed to remain in Britain after Brexit, it emerged on Thursday night, as a fresh row broke out over the UK’s right to deport European Union convicts.

Brussels is trying to prevent Britain from rooting out and deporting EU citizens with serious criminal convictions by claiming that blanket criminal records checks are unlawful.

In a major clash over citizens’ rights, the EU has demanded the Government drops plans to vet all three million European citizens who are expected to apply for the right to remain in Britain after Brexit. It would mean thousands of foreign criminals being allowed to stay in the UK.

It looks like this is what they are now planning to do. Which the EU said was unlawful. And frankly almost certainly is.

I would have thought this would fall under the HRA and the ECHR and the Equality Act 2010 (protected characteristic of race which is defined as colour, nationality or ethnic/national origins).

Think about it in the context of Ireland too...

Again there is some optics going on here, and it'll be interesting to see how this pans out - or whether it will end up being like just another one of Theresa's Trips to the High Court to get her arse handed to her.

Or whether this is about starting up a narrative to repel the HRA and the EA and to try and leave the ECHR. Which Cummings has previously talked about (Which if we want a deal with the EU is a prerequist - of course if they want to enslave the entire population, a US deal works out pretty well to do this, especially with their current plans to starve us all anyway).

So it looks like we are losing just about every right we have - its been expressly stated this week about workers rights, and this clearly is about other human rights.

Which was what was said all along before the reference but no one listened to.

I have a friend who thinks BoZo plans to delivery Brexit then swan off to US with early retirement on speeches. I personally think he will want power for longer.

No idea whether this is true or not but I rather suspect that now events are out of control and taking on a trajectory of their own.

Rather like the events which led up to the two World Wars. Hitler, for example, I believe, didn't think that the UK would declare war on Germany, but it did. They didn't initially plan to gas 6 million Jews and others, like Gypsies and homosexuals, but events took over. And then the Americans developed and used the atom bomb.

Thankfully, after that some sanity began to prevail, and people realised that there had to be a better way to do things.

I remember reading this from Cummings' wife and thinking it must be put on, it was so...vacuous. Does posture affect performance/shape of mouth affect speech? No-one's that dim, surely?

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/benedict-cumberbatch-on-playing-my-husband-dominic-cummings/

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2017/12/08/factsheet-on-eu-citizens-rights-agreement/
This is the fact sheet on what the Withdrawal Agreement would have given citizens

Criminality: Any removals on the grounds of criminality or security will be in line with EU law for behaviour prior to the end of the implementation period and UK law for behaviour after the UK’s end of the implementation period.

Ironically, since we will continue to be members of the ECHR and the HRA and EA are UK law, then unless they are repealed then the only difference in theory is the lack of a transition period. UNLESS the current government either fully intends to flout the law or repeal the law.

Now, personally, as I don't see there being much chance of Johnson being able to get repeal of the HRA and the EA through parliament by 31st October - unless we have a GE before that AND there is a hard right win, it looks like the government are going for full on unlawful implementation of a policy which breeches EU citizens rights.

Good stuff.

No-one's that dim, surely?

I bet the pay is good.

And if Dominic is out working long hours, she doesn't have to put up with the insufferable cock at home herself.

BTW, if there ARE any journalists who are reading this thread, thats taken me 15 mins on google.

Why aren't we talking about whats really being proposed here, how it affects right and the legality of whats Priti is talking about?

Why am I having to google it, not read it in an article or spelt out on twitter by a nice blue tick person?

She doesn't tweet much (😉) but wants to get in touch with Brexiter Paul Embery.

Swedish I remember reading that and feeling the same; poor Benedict having to spend the evening listening to a nutjob, act him and then be the subject of her column to give them ££ - she just sounds like she's showing off who they had to dinner and trying to make out her husband is clever rather than has a mental illness, which seems she says to be popular opinion (Benedict seemed relieved he wasn't a sociopath after all!).

Now I re-read it this stands out, possibly due to his newer prominence:

"When I spoke to Cumberbatch last week, we didn’t talk about the rights and wrongs of Brexit. I’m tired to my bones of the EU row. It’s like a pointless game of cards: you play your picture of a co-operative, civilised EU; I play my picture of a dystopian future. You play your picture of an angry racist Leaver; I play mine of a corrupt MEP claiming expenses no one ever checks.

But it seems to me a beacon of hope that someone who believes in the EU is willing to inhabit the skin of someone who doesn’t. That’s sort of what we all need to do right now, isn’t it? I ask Cumberbatch."

Wonder why they don't consider No Deal part of a 'dystopian future'? It also shows how off the mark they are with how willing people will be to forgive and forget. As if we can simply brush it all under the carpet because she is bored of it.

Funny, I've just re-read and the "I’m tired to my bones of the EU row." stood out for me. Imagine having the luxury to be tired to your bones. .

Oh, she's a fan of MN! why middle class parents are anxious
Is it Clav (too c&p), maybe it's Louise?

And the idea only remainers need to get into leaver skins
As if she has anything in common with the people who are truly going to be affected by this the most who were tricked by her husband into voting for it

"Mama"? She (allegedly) believed a "secondary drowning" story she read online? Maybe she's a living experiment for him? 😁

Having read a couple of them now, I suspect she believes she is a kind Catholic lady who just needs to "educate" everyone. I can see why her and he get on from that alone. However her articles show how naive she is in so many aspects. I also suspect they share this trait, having never truly experienced much of what the country have with austerity.

Painful to read the one about her lifting the 90yr old who fell (get that lady to a first aid course pronto!) and how surprised she seemed at lack of ambulances and that it took him hours to dress.

We can only hope he understands articles and research better.
We can only hope.
Then we hear about the moon...

Good grief she deserves Cummings if that's how she writes and what she writes about.

What utter drivel and a mind numbingly dreadful view of life. Its like Sarah Vine has eaten word salad and has an undiagnosed anxiety disorder. I almost want to scream at her "just raid the gin cupboard darling".

Bet the dinner party round at the Goves is epic. Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall for that?

And she's not middle class. She is most definitely upper middle class who thinks she's dreadfully working class.

Fortunately, my free Spectator subscriptions for the month have ran out. But I recognise that naive, out-of-touch, view very much.

Hmm, I think she just has UMC traits, well learned ones probably from dinner parties in N1 as she likes to point out in her articles. She's too flappy to be truly UMC

"No-one's that dim, surely?"

AARGH - reconquering Ireland next ? 🤯🤯

no, not dim, just UK govt being deliberately provocative to Ireland.
BJ trolling Ireland, basically saying Ireland should be ruled by UK laws 🤯

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

What’s Boris Johnson’s big idea to replace the backstop?

Allies tell me he wants a bilateral agreement with Ireland that will see Dublin diverge from EU rules temporarily to share a common rule book with the UK
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A senior minister:
“The solution is a bilateral agreement to agree a common rule book with Ireland for as long we need one.

Ireland would also keep all the advantages of its single market membership, if the EU is prepared to be flexible” < 🤯 >

But will it fly in Dublin? Hmm.
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Fabian Zuleeg@FabianZuleeg (European Policy Center), usually close to EU thinking)
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Obviously will not fly in Dublin or Brussels or Luxembourg in front of the ECJ or anywhere else in the EU.

This is utter nonsense so the only question is whether this senior minister (et al) is completely deluded and ignorant

or whether this is the next step in the blame game
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Irishmonk@castlvillageman

So,it's a copy and paste from the Prosperity UK Ltd hedge fund Alternative arrangements commission

The thing that got laughed out of Dublin and Brussels in an instant.
Ireland is NOT being a semi-detatched EU member. Ireland is NOT undermining its world status for UK.
Forget it
....
2019. Ireland is once again occupied and, being dutiful subjects, tears up its constitution and tugs its forelock

Remember that case being brought by Brexitty people (Cash, Tilbrook) claiming that the A50 extension was unlawful?

Unsurprisingly it’s been dismissed as Totally Without Merit.

There’s now much Brexitty wailings that the decision breaches the claimants’ human rights under the ECHR.

Cue Tilbrook’s supporters crying “corruption” and “traitors” and then complaining about Tilbrook having to appeal to the ECJ.

You gotta laugh.

All in here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9764957/boris-johnson-ireland-no-hard-border/amp?

In the PM’ss first salvo to renegotiate an exit deal, he called for talks on new “commitments” to replace the controversial Irish backstopop that leaves Britain tied to EU rules.^

< so tie Ireland to Britain's rules instead ? 🤯 >

The Sun has learned that Mr Johnson is ready to propose a new bilateral deal between London and Dublin to act as a bridge until stand-off border checks – dubbed ‘alternative arrangements’ – are ready.

Under the new idea, Irelandd would win a special dispensation from Brusselss to diverge from EU rules temporarily so it can stay aligned with the UK.

< Once US beef comes to Ireland, it would be permanent >

Under the new idea, Ireland would win a special dispensation from Brussels to diverge from EU rules temporarily so it can stay aligned with the UK.

It’s the “alternative arrangements” touted by Morgan’s Prosperity UK bunch - Ireland would essentially leave the SM to pander to the UK.

I can hear the hollow laughter in Dublin and Brussels from here.

So the big plan is to make Ireland semi detached from the EU. That's it?
I wonder how politely Varadkar can say "Go fuck yourselves ? Surely it's just silly goadiness with no hope of success in the hope of getting a mysterious "something else".

Here's your "something else" - put a border in the sea and make NI a special economic zone.

I don't see there being much chance of Johnson being able to get repeal of the HRA and the EA through parliament by 31st October - unless we have a GE before that AND there is a hard right win, it looks like the government are going for full on unlawful implementation of a policy which breeches EU citizens rights

From the woeful apathy that's accompanied the crawl of the brexit over the last 3 years, I can only assume that many white folks think that Human Rights come free with melanin.

They are about to get a little wake up call.

So it looks like we are losing just about every right we have - its been expressly stated this week about workers rights, and this clearly is about other human rights.

This is one thing I would suggest those about to naturalise here consider for a second. I personally haven't sunk into complete pessimism yet but if things did really go to shit in terms of human rights, your country of origin/ the EU will not be able to help you as a British citizen in the UK.