Am I the only one?

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I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

@Mamamia456

How about addressing the points i raised? instead of your usual avoidance techniques?

You clearly stated that its the person stuck in a job they don't like who is to blame for their predicament and is the only one responsible for that and their future.

Yes, I'm allergic to the thought that if someone struggles it's because they've just not tried hard enough.
I have a good career, worked really hard but guess what? I was also quite fortunate in my circumstances in many ways to start with and that's made a huge difference. I'd never forget that. You can work your arse off and run into shit luck all the time. You can be screwed before you even start. You can be abused and have no way out etc.

Jason118 - Not everyone in a low paid job is a victim of poverty. I have friends in low paid jobs who are happier than my friends who earn good money.

Jasjas1973 - Of course a person is responsible for their own happiness and future, We are responsible for our own needs and wants.

Rubbish.

Typical Tory.

I hope that they will be queueing up to take personal responsibility after Brexit is a shit show.

But I have very little hope, because they take zero responsibility for anything that has happened since 2016. Bunch of fucking hypocrites.

Jasjas - Of course it's not rubbish. Am I responsible for your life and the way you live it, of course I'm not.

Of course a person is responsible for their own happiness and future

Really? Children, the elderly, the trafficked, those with disabilities and illnesses, the falsely accused, the politically oppressed, the abused, the worn out, the starving ...

You sound like David Icke channeling his inner Marie Antoinette.

Autumncrow - I have an illness that relies on medication, but I am still responsible for my own happiness, what I want to happen in my future etc, the goals I want to achieve.

Mamamia456 It is rubbish because you have failed to acknowledge we are all different, personalising it does not change the fact that you are wrong.

Many people are trapped in situations not of their own making but because of parenting, abuse, social, educational causes.

A woman in a violent relationship may have zero self esteem, no family, no money, children to look after and the state has already withdrawn the little help it used to offer.

You don't seem to have a clue how many people's lives evolve.

As ever, there is a middle ground and yes the main person who can decide to make a difference is yourself. There are people who have a steeper Hill to climb but that doesn’t make it impossible.

Plenty of single parents at university (although why they didn’t wait ill never know). I know one girl pregnant at fifteen, some mental health problems (anorexia) who decided to train as a mental health nurse and is now a ward sister at 27. She’s not on a fortune but is well placed to progress her career. That’s an example any everyone is different but too often people make themselves see barriers that aren’t there.
Many people fleeing real trauma, desperate for a safe place, with horrendous stories of torture in conflict zones achieve incredible things because they have a really strong inner driver to support their children in education and on to a better life. Oxford offer asylum seeker and refugee scholarships. Some schools in challenging communities have an Oxbridge Tsar to improve uptake. The main barrier is the family who persuade youngsters university isn’t worth it or is too far from home.

If the right jobs aren’t in your area you can move. Several times if necessary.
The ‘elderly’ (over 65s so not 90 year olds) wouldn’t usually be expected to work but plenty do on a part time basis in roles such as non executive directors, in village shops, in B and Q, in their own businesses.

@CherryPavlova theoretical possibility doesn't trump reality. It's all well and good looking for the middle ground, but for lots and lots of people they're stuck with the ground they're on. I wish people would stop romanticising the possible and look at the actual. Because it's the actual that people are living, not some infinitely mobile utopia where it's a simple as 'getting on your bike' as someone famously put it.

Jasjas1973 - But they can still change it and many people do.

Or are you saying that a person in an abusive relationship should just accept it because that's their lot in life.

Pls don't put words in mouth, i never said or implied a woman should just accept their lot but it is not so easy to get out of these situations as you say it is or 2 women a week wouldn't be murdered by their partners each and every week.

Do you think a man punches the fuck out of a woman on the first date? or perhaps its a more subtle approach over months and years that reduces a woman to believe it is her fault, she has no worth etc?

Do some research before you post more rubbish.

Jasjas1973 - Why are you trying to twist what I'm saying? When did I say it was easy to get out of difficult situations?

Lots of people change their lives for the better because they have found an inner strength and even with help and support, it is ultimately themselves who have had to take that step.

I don't know why you find that so diilfficult to understand.

If somebody is stuck in a low paid job that they are unhappy in then they should do something to change that, look to retrain in a different industry, think about what they would like to do and work towards it. It may take a while but it will make them feel more positive

^We are all responsible for ourselves*

nowhere in that or your subsequent posts, do you seem to have any clue that for many people, change is completely out of their control, you appear to lack any empathy or understanding whatsoever.

Jason118 Nobody said it was easy. The single biggest block to success is attitude though. A can’t do attitude is going to make life harder in the long run.

I can’t imagine that a positive attitude is going to change anything for as an example, a single parent to three DC’s under the age of five, living in poor quality rented housing, who left school at 16 with no qualifications. I can’t imagine how they cope but from reading Mn, many do have to exist like that.

Jeez sounds like Brexit "if only we believe"

Remember this is the same govt that is allowing private companies to let disabled people die from lack of money to keep their electricity on and keep their insulin safe, that are allowing private companies to say to a man 2 weeks before he died, who was on 24 hr oxygen that he was fit and healthy for work, that are subjecting veterans who lost limbs for this country to keep being tested to see if they are still disabled or if their leg has grown back! Do I think they will let us die? yes I do, do I think that the french or German gives will give a crap when they have their own problems to deal with? No.

@CherryPavlova The single biggest block to success is attitude though
You've no idea have you? All I have to do is think positively and then I won't need the food bank? All I have to do is think positively and I'll be given more hours on my zero hour contact? You're naivety regarding the world is saddening.

Fuck me OP. Garganutan ignorance of the elements of 'suffering' already accepted. Billions spent on bollocks propaganda and necessary re-arrangements which STILL won't be enough.
More racist attacks on anyone who isn't brown, and I have directly experienced this. My wife is Asian. Spat upon in the street, as thugs now have the green light.

OP, do fuck off.

Patker231 - There was a contestant on the x factor many years ago who had got pregnant at the age of 13, she had 5 children by the time she was 26. Three of them were in care, the younger 2 lived with her. I think she'd got involved with drugs and had been in prison. She had a fantastic voice and had gone on the show because she wanted to change her life around.

She didn't win, don't think she made it to the top five, but I would like to think that she is happy in her life now, and that she got her other 3 children back to live with her.

or rather "on anyone who is 'brown' ".

Just enraged at your ignorance and callousness.

@Mamamia456 but I would like to think that she is happy in her life now
Of course you would, because it absolves you of any responsibility towards people who aren't able to make things better for themselves.