Am I the only one?

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I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

Maybe you didn't see this post from me @tomtom1999xx

"A senior executive at a major food retailer has told the BBC it is considering introducing rationing.
It will prevent firms that have not made their own no-deal Brexit plan from using food retailers as wholesalers.
But he said he did not envisage that the limits would affect normal retail customers.
"One potential problem is that businesses who are struggling with their supply chains effectively use ours," he said.
"We would need to limit the amount restaurants or convenience stores, for example, that are short of stock could buy," said the executive, who spoke to the BBC on condition of anonymity.
Not the first time
"We wouldn't use the word rationing but that is effectively what it is. Limiting the volumes small businesses can purchase so that our retail customers get a chance to get what they need.""

How do you tell who is a small business owner or their employee and who is an ordinary punter?
Proud, are you?

Unless you’ve carried out an in-depth survey on each & every leave voter you’re merely speculating.

This seems to be the argument of the day.

Leavers can’t possibly be grouped together in any way, shape or form as each one is entirely different, with their own reasons for wanting to leave, whilst simultaneously all being happy with every twist and turn that changes the actual ‘leave’ we get.

You think we should remain in the EU so restaurants ( who only cater for well off people ) don’t run out of olives?

@tomtom1999xx , seriously? You don't think it's about more than olives?

No, not really.

You think we should remain in the EU so restaurants ( who only cater for well off people ) don’t run out of olives? hmm

No.

At the moment it's to make sure that mums and kids don't run out of inhalers, epipens and insulin.

We had a general election after the referendum and the two main brexit supporting parties won by a mile.

Considering that neither of the two major parties could command a majority rather suggests a redefinition of the word 'mile'.

The recent European elections were an even bigger endorsement for brexit with Nigel Farage’s party doing better than even he expected!

And the Remain parties, got the same number of seats and a bigger % of the votes. Much better than the two parties who had supposedly won by a mile. In the Local Elections the same two parties were also convincingly thrashed. The Brexit party didn't stand then, so no one knows what they would have achieved. But let me see in the two Parliamentary by-elections they have won.... precisely nothing.

@tomtom1999xx restaurants cafes convenience stores. Only sell olives do they?

woman19

I’m commenting on the bbc link posted.
Unless I missed something, it’s only referring to ( possible ) food shortages.

Can't bring yourself to admit it, can you.

There are ppl on MN who get hysterical about the thought of a toilet brush in their house. Self imposed economic losses and a giant pile of administrative hassle that will take many years (decades?) to finish, for nebulous unicorn benefits, is pretty fair thing to get upset about, in comparison.

Need to be careful reading much into either the council elections or the EP ones, both had low turnouts.

Don't recall Stewart, Farage, Johnson or Gove mentioning any possible medicines, food shortages or delays at our ports in 2015 or 2016.... why was that?
Either they didn't know and are incompetent or lied to the UK public.

llijkk that baffles me too.

There was a thread the other day about Tesco stopping carrier bags for home deliveries and there was uproar because people wouldn’t entertain a delivery driver going into their kitchen.

I genuinely can’t comprehend how people have such angst about things as simple as this, when so many don’t give 2 hoots about Brexit?

I genuinely can’t comprehend how people have such angst about things as simple as this, when so many don’t give 2 hoots about Brexit?

It's the Bike Shed effect.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality

possible medicines, food shortages or delays at our ports.

as tomtom would say: 'no one knows- not businesspeople, scientists, doctors, civil servants, trust in farage- it might turn out to be fabulous!

jasjas - The leavers you mentioned didn't talk about shortages of food and meds. or queues at ports because the deal they were all talking about that would be easy was a trade deal. No one thought that the EU would insist on negotiating a withdrawal agreement and not looking at trade until that's ratified. TM has a lot to answer for with this and should have put her foot down.

Why would we delay imports to the UK?
I can understand that our exports might be delayed. But I don't get the fear about imports. Why would we block them?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/21/home-office-to-assign-border-force-jobs-to-agency-workers

WHAT A BRILLIANT WAY TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR BORDERS!

Why would we block them?
Because we need to control what those imports are and don't want to let any old crap into the country.

We won't block imports per se.

But they will all need to be checked as per WTO rules. Even two minutes per lorry means hours of delay.

TM has a lot to answer for
She has a lot to answer for with her red lines. That she does.

But why did May have her red lines? Step up the ERG for whom no appeasement would ever be good enough.

I agree she was stubborn and lacked vision, but it's oh so convenient to blame her now.

@Oranginna - as a result of the additional checks, the delays to lorries coming into the uk from the EU could last up to two and a half days. As the food industry (and maufacturing) operates on a just in time system, fresh fruit and veg will have gone off by the time it reaches the shops. With manufacturing if parts don’t arrive in time, production lines come to a halt.

Bellingsurge - I think you'd be able to tell if it was a small business or member of the public - they'd have something like 30 cucumbers, 10 lettuces, 20 loaves of bread etc. in their trolley. I always thought they weren't allowed to use supermarkets to stock up and had to use wholesalers.

I have seen this in Aldi before, the owner of the local chippy does it.

I seem to recall that they were pulled up at the time over this but concerns were dismissed as project fear...ie they need us more than we need them lol!

Once out of the club we lose the membership benefits, its not a difficult concept.

Of course the EU would insist on monies owed, the NI border and citizens rights or the UK would have got its FTA and then dragged its feet, that is patently obvious.

These brexitiers knew bloody well it would be difficult/impossible but they lied, because winning the vote was everything, they clearly didn't give a shit about the how either.