Am I the only one?

[thrumylookingglass]

I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

[SistemaAddict]

I've not come across a remainer even half as ignorant as you OP so many will assume you are a leaver. Leavers are the first to bring up being called "thick and racist" but their comments unfortunately support the perceptions that people have of them. It's impossible to argue with stupid. Many have tried on these boards, often with great calm and patience, but even one of my favourite posters who is hoping for compromise has been losing her shit lately.
I've read some stunning comments on here over the months I've been on these boards but you OP, take the biscuit.

[BunchMunch]

GreyGarden
I thought it was leavers who were supposed to be the intolerant ones?

[BunchMunch]

I agree with you op. Prepare to be flamed though!

[BeardedMum]

No you are not the only one, but look at the company you are keeping....

[tomtom1999xx]

It's impossible to argue with stupid

Obviously not that impossible as remainers have spent the past 3 years arguing with leavers. Actively seeking out the arguments too in many cases

[thrumylookingglass]

It was always a risk creating this thread. I was fully prepared for the comments and arguments that i’ve received. However, my family’s history and experience was traumatic and devastating, it included death, starvation and poverty. Not for one second do I believe that Brexit is on the same scale.

[jasjas1973]

We have had close relationships with our European cousins for decades. Do you think they will let people die or suffer due to red tape in the interim?

Over time, arrangements will be made no doubt but we are going from a fully integrated trade arrangement to none at all, literally overnight, these new arrangements will take how long? weeks? months? years?

We are cutting loose from these close ties, that's the whole point of Brexit, we want to be "independent" from europe, we become a 3rd country in law to the EU, it is not "red tape" as you ignorantly put it.

As for comparing Brexit to a natural disaster, words fail me, do people vote for famine and floods?

[thrumylookingglass]

Totally prepared to be flamed ... but am raging now!

[Turniptracker]

Yea but the point is - what is the point of it? People saying we've survived things before but why do we even have to? What is the point to all this madness? Why are we even discussing Brexit as an actuality if it's going to do nothing but make all of us worse off??? For the love of God will someone tell me what the actual point of this all is?

[thrumylookingglass]

@turniptracker totally agree with you. I don’t get what the point of it is either. I don’t really have a strong point of view either way. But I would like to think (in today’s) world, no-one would die, suffer or be enslaved as a result of Brexit.

[thrumylookingglass]

@ChardonnaysPrettySister is humanity stupididity?

[jasjas1973]

I think OP you are making the mistake that we europeans have evolved from the versions around in the 1900s or the 1930s.

We are exactly the same, capable of war, cruelty and genocide, just ask those nice Yugoslavs what poor decisions can do to a populace.

[LizzieSiddal]

Several comments about the impact of No Deal on NI, have been ignored by the OP.

I wonder why?

[Mistigri]

But I would like to think (in today’s) world, no-one would die, suffer or be enslaved as a result of Brexit.

I'd like to think that no one would ever die or suffer due to government policy.

But clearly that's wishful thinking.

The fact that you "like to think" something is really neither here nor there, especially as you don't seem to have gone to much effort when it comes to thinking.

[SciFiRules]

My wife and children are german. My job is at risk, the trade deals that are being sought with the US, India and China will make it very hard for me to find a new job, and the NHS on which I rely on will be privatised and only serve those who can pay. So to recap I'll loose my house, my health care, my family may be classed as aliens and I would imagine it's fare to say my childrens education will be disrupted by this. So I think it fare that I point out the idiocy of Brexit and the damage to be wrought. "Works things happen at sea" is hardly the approach of a competent government or a literate electorate.

[SciFiRules]

*worse things

[thrumylookingglass]

@jasjas1973 I know we are exactly the same... maybe I choose to believe that we won’t repeat the mistakes of the past.

[Peregrina]

I think that there will be a duty if care

Truthfully do you think Boris Johnson and his unelected henchman Dominic Cummings and the Cabinet of mediocrities care about anyone except themselves?

What you should be asking is whether the British government are prepared to let people die. From what I have seen of them, the answer is yes.

However, my family’s history and experience was traumatic and devastating, it included death, starvation and poverty. Not for one second do I believe that Brexit is on the same scale.

It could be though - I doubt if anyone in the late 1930s had any inkling of the horrors which would be unleashed by WW2.

[Milkywayfan]

Surely the point is that there is a large amount of significant damage which can happen short of catastrophe. Do I think brexit means we will all end up starving - obviously no. Does brexit mean significant risk to the GFA and return of troubles In NI. Yes Does brexit mean long term significant harm to the UK economy (and therefore less money for schools and health) - yes. Brexit also means major disruption to millions of people living in the UK who are EU citizens or connected with them in anyway and it has also enabled a rising tide of racism. Etc etc. It is reasonable to say brexit is the most significant self-inflicted harm to suez and therefore a really really big deal - without it having to mean deaths. Saying brexit is not a big deal misunderstands medium and long term consequences. Assuming it will all be fine and not a big deal is the arrogance of being a successful country about to start throwing away its own success ...

[Feduppluckingmychinhairs]

Fucking over the Good Friday Agreement will plunge Ireland into slaughter again. So will people die? Yes. Get killed? Yes. Be opressed? Yes. I am sure someone soon will start about "not letting the terrorists win". All I know is we have lived here in Peace for the last 21 years and lives here are on the verge of being turned upside fucking down. WE are not the terrorists. We NEED peace. We NEED someone to fucking listen and realise that Brexit is more to us than whether we will pay extra tax on wine. It is keeping our children alive. Hoping they wont be blown to pieces by a bomb left by some maniac.

So that's my perspective. And no, I doubt you are the only one. And that makes me very sad

[Superlooper]

I wish I had your confidence OP . 3,600 people died in the Troubles in N. Ireland, half of these were civilians.

[jasjas1973]

I know we are exactly the same... maybe I choose to believe that we won’t repeat the mistakes of the past

So we learnt the lessons from 1914/18 and had another WW 21 years later.

However, the politicians from the 40s and 50s decided that centuries of european war had to end, there must be a better way!
They decided trade would reduce these risks and formed the EEC, the UK was desperate to join, the europeans (as it tuned out) refused us, reluctantly letting us in, we've done very well out of it ever since.

We've learnt nothing.

[thrumylookingglass]

I totally empathise with people who will, or will not, be impacted economically from a no deal Brexit. My job is on the line too, we trade globally.

I am optimistic that any medical issues will be dealt with, practically and ethically, by all/any countries involved.

But the bottom line for me on this thread is that compared with what’s happened in the past Brexit or no Brexit is not in the same scale.

Totally prepared to be flamed !!!

[LittleAndOften]

OP I think you must be very comfortably off, if you're not worried at all about the multiple problems listed above, the inevitable rise in the cost of living, the loss of workers rights that are protected by the EU, big companies moving abroad and decimating communities with unemployment (already happening, look at Swindon) and above all, the inevitable recession as the economy shrinks, when the value of your house will fall and the cost of borrowing increase.

You're very naive if you think this perfect storm of events won't tip large numbers into poverty. And these are just the things we know will happen. There's a whole host of more things to add that will probably happen. And where's the safety net - universal credit?!!

Sadly, most people have an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude, and will only protest when it actually affects their pocket. By which time it wil be too late.

Did you watch Years and Years? It was like a bloody documentary of our near future. I fully expect all of that to happen, none of it was far fetched fiction - none. It's miserable.