Westminstenders: Charge!!!!

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Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

I'm not sure about crashing out though. For Bozo to go back on not meeting them until they cave, to actually going to meet them makes me think he's actually shitting himself about the corner he's now painted himself into with his gung ho rhetoric.

Boris is more than happy to head into no deal as long as no Boris' are hurt in it's making. It's the one absolute in a relative mess. I think it's only just dawned on some buyers-regretting Tories that means Boris will happily take the whole Tory party down, as long as .... no Boris get's hurt in the process. The absolute opposite of Theresa May who sacrificed her reputational legacy to save The Party.

It's still important to distinguish the ulterior motives of Tory MPs that are opposed to no-deal. Because some of them would still happily accept no deal if it saves the Tory Party.

It takes hindsight, but I maintain we hit the iceberg 23rd June 2016, and have taking on water ever since. All that's happened is we have a captain who is now sailing full speed (the metaphor works a little too well ) for New York (his birthplace) while slowly sinking beneath the waves. Will he make it ? Of course not. But this captain has no intention of going down with his ship.

misti how long can they stay if needed? Are they on meds? We've already had to use med buffer due to shortages, (DP is allergic to substitute but subs for meds are available) so things are looking sketchy from now and I would consider getting them out the country before the 31st. Not to sound alarmist. If they are used to long stays with you anyway and thats normal for your family then 100% get them out.

Misti if I were your elderly relative, I’d really want you to get me out of the UK before Brexit.

@Mistigri I don't think we can add anything to your thought processes. From the nature and thoughtfulness of your posts, you know what's best and will know what to do.

*@FishesaPlenty regarding Bobs Plastics in Scunthorpe's first post Brexit shipment with no prep beforehand - could you expand on why it won't be a problem for them? Thanks in advance *

Why do you think it will be a problem? He calls his existing haulier or forwarder (who will undoubtedly have experience delivering to countries which require customs clearance), they tell him what he needs to do. He does it. A week later his goods are collected and a week after that they're delivered in France. He's now got everything in place for the next load.

If their main line of business isn't exporting to the EU then interruptions to the flow don't cause their business any problems. If their main business is exporting to the EU then they'll presumably sort themselves out in advance.

I have written to my MP regarding this line of the leaked documents.

UK patients having to wait longer for medicines, including insulin and flu vaccines

Have asked him to put an urgent question to the House when Parliament resumes to ask for clarity on this. People dependent on insulin can’t have delays, it results in death. Given the plight of people dependent on bags for nutrition who have current problems with supply I have no faith that insulin delays are out the question. And stress impacts negatively on blood sugar levels so the possibility of any delays will already impact negatively on health.

Bob’s plastics will also have to waste precious time checking what extra paperwork they may need to fill in look at what tariffs may or may not be needed.

Or they may as many small businesses who have only occasionally shipped to EU think I’m just not going to bother. No Deal actually puts up barriers of trade for many small businesses by adding layers of administration to what is currently a straightforward procedure.

I help run a small business who very very occasionally makes parts that we take and fit in Rep. of Ireland thus combining a good and a service. Nightmare to pick through the Government emails received on a daily basis to try and determine what we need to do in the case of a no deal Brexit in fact I have come to the conclusion Government aren’t really that sure themselves.

Twitter rumours that we're leaving early. I'm getting nervous now and the increase in unusual power cuts doesn't help. Add cyber attacks to brexit day and who knows what will happen. Anyone else read the shock doctrine?

So BlowJob is going to visit Macron and Merkel in the next few days to tell them he insists in a better deal

Thats a u turn in itself

However Johnson likes his PR stunts (and saying he wouldn't speak to them much less visit them was a PR stunt for the domestic market). And this will be one too.

I think Talk of leaving early on twitter is just that.

We need the preparation time.

HOWEVER

It could be the formation of another PR stunt, where Johnson says he is going to leave early (in the full knowledge we won't) only to blame Remainers for staying in until 31st.

I think Talk of leaving early on twitter is just that.

Steve Peers has Tweeted that Johnson can’t unilaterally change the UK exit date:

Point 1 [early exit] legally requires secondary legislation under the Withdrawal Act. But s 20(3) of the Act suggests that a change of date can only be "in accordance with Article 50(3)" TEU. So the EU would have to agree to change the date. "Unilateral" change of date is therefore illegal.

But isn't no deal trashing the good Friday agreement which is also illegal?

Cherrypi, that’s what I also think

It's not actually illegal, because the drafters never considered that the Uk - or Ireland - would be mad enough to leave the EU and the SM

So there is no specific text forbidding a goods border within Ireland
but it certainly unilaterally breaks the spirit & intentions of the GFA

However, no Irish goods border is an EU red line - because they are listening to their memebr country, Ireland -
and may be a red line for the US Congress which could prevent a US FTA

However, the consequences of Brexit - which e.g. May and the NI Office believe would require the imposition of Direct Rule by the Secretary of State - may infringe the GFA

We would have to see if Ireland takes the Uk to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, for possible breaches

@FishesaPlenty f their main business is exporting to the EU then they'll presumably sort themselves out in advance.
So first there won't be a problem if they don't prepare, then you're saying they do have to prepare. Seems you're as clear as UK gov on this

Can BJ actually have believed the EU would cave on the backstop? Surely not?

It's all about the Blame Game for No Deal

All parties are playing it, but especially BJ & the No Dealers (of all parties)

Can BJ actually have believed the EU would cave on the backstop? Surely not?

I doubt he cares, he knows enough people will always back no deal. The narrative is Brexiteers against traitors/sabs. That will be enough to see him through the storm on no deal.

The number of people Brexit needs to be good for has been shrinking slowly since 2016.

At first it had to be good for the UK.
Then it had to be good for England
Then it had to be good for the Tory party.

Now it only needs to be good for Boris. Which is why no deal makes sense now.

misti yep.

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misti it sounds as good a time as any for your elderly parent to visit you. How long would it be practical for them to stay? Do they have sufficient medication to see them through a few weeks - could they order some early as they would be going away for a while? If they don’t have any pressing need to be in the U.K. - hospital appointments, for example, -and are up to the journey - I would definitely try to persuade them.

Yes. Boris isn't going to Merkel and Macron because he's scared, he's going because he wants to be able to say he tried his best and they said no, causing No Deal.