Westminstenders: Charge!!!!

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Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

There is no possible mechanism by which a queue in Kent could have any impact on fuel supplies except in the immediate vicinity of the queues.

You're not factoring in human behaviour. If there is no fuel in Kent, what will Kent drivers do?

How far will any traffic chaos spread: as far as the M25?

This is what the Times says about fuel deliveries in the south east:

"Traffic disruption caused by border delays could affect fuel distribution in the local area, particularly if traffic queues In Kent block the Dartford crossing, which would disrupt fuel supply in London and the southeast. Customer behaviour could lead to shortages in other parts of the country."

On petrol, the explanation is as follows:

"Tariffs make UK petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability, but UK government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans. This leads to big financial losses and the closure of two refineries (which are converted to import terminals) with about 2,000 direct job losses. Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions they directly supply. Government analysis of the impact of no-deal on refineries continues."

If that document was produced by a Remain organisation, I'd be inclined to believe fishes more

However, it's a leaked civil service report, who hopefully do know better

if the civil service are really so badly informed
- when they are the ones who for several months have been doing the planning & prepping for the country -
that would be alarming too !

Indeed, once again, why are we doing this, can somebody remind me?

Because "we" not in my name are numpties.

So Johnson is going to demand a new deal. Why does he think he'll get one when they says no to May? And we'd need another long extension to come up with a new deal with the rest of the 27. Fuckwit he is.

Fishes, with all due respect I imagine that the UKPIA has more expertise than you with regard to petrol imports, and they say "^the full liberalisation of tariffs on imported oil products, without any guarantee of UK exports being treated the same way, could seriously damage UK competitiveness with potential to lose highly skilled manufacturing jobs and long-term security of fuel supply.

That's 'imported oil products', not 'petrol'. There's no import tariff on petrol to start with so it can't possibly be reduced to 0%.

Indeed, once again, why are we doing this, can somebody remind me?

It's blue passports and giving 100% control of jointly agreed food regulation standards to the Tory right remember.

So BlowJob is going to visit Macron and Merkel in the next few days to tell them he insists in a better deal or the UK is serious about shooting itself in the foot

Whatever happened to "they will have to come to him" ?

Indeed, once again, why are we doing this, can somebody remind me?

To back control!

To make Britain great again!!

To stop illegal immigrants!!!

Blue passports!!!!

And..hang on...don’t tell me...

Erm..something about bananas..?

Petroleum is crude oil.

We import petroleum products such as petrol (together with diesel + jet fuel) which makes up around 27% of total energy U.K. imports.

The press are reporting Operation Yellowhammer as though it's something new. We've known about this for months now. Or have I missed something?

Last I heard only a third of exporters had even applied for an EORI number (and this is only the first, and by the far the easiest, of the steps required). And remember that this one-third figure is only for U.K. lorries.

Firstly, lorries don't need EORI numbers. Haulage operators and exporters do. They already needed an EORI number if they export outside the EU. Consequently any exporter or haulier currently exporting to Switzerland, Norway, Turkey or anywhere on the EU periphery will already have a EORI number and be familiar with export procedures.

So JLR, P&G, Unilever, Nissan, BAT, BAE, Diageo whoever, they'll all be in that third of companies that are on top of this, all the largest exporters will. So even if it's just a third of exporters, they'll be responsible for far more than a third of the exports.

Bob's Plastics from Scunthorpe, who export a few loads per year to the EU, probably won't do anything about it until they're due to ship their first load after Brexit, and even that won't cause them any problems.

@FishesaPlenty even that won't cause them any problems.
I'd like to understand how you know this? Just to put my mind at rest.

Bercows - I said the same thing to dh last night. All that they are doing is resurrecting Operation Yellowhammer after wasting the extension time against Tusk's advice after suspending/putting it in abeyance after we got the extension in April

I'm starting to understand more why some people I know voted leave. It's the incompetence of government as they explained at the time...I wasn't cynical enough to 100% understand I was only 80%ish the way there. They knew gov would be totally incompetent and thats exactly why they voted leave so everyone everywhere could see and literally experience that the British gov is shit. (The bit I didn't get was just how shit/incompetent the British gov are, I stupidly and naively thought the country functioned mildly better than this. My mistake.)

Its hard to problem solve when not everyone can see the magnitude of the problem. Now we're all starting to see it and it will be a collective experience.

This brand of leaver was/is naively optimistic that once we had the collective experience we as the people will do and vote better. I couldn't see "better" then and I definitely can't see "better" now because we're just a different type of divided so won't experience the shit as a collective.

(Other leavers I know who are mc and voted because they had overblown arrogance in british gov are maintaining blind faith in britishness but in like a confused way. I find it amusing for some reason? I might be a terrible person.)

Yes, I was a driver during the last fuel strikes, I was also running a transport company

Thats handy :) then you'll be aware that the Road Haulage Association do not share your laid back attitude, writing to the Govt in early August '19 about their concerns.

Experts, pah, what do they know ;)

Genuine question for you people ...

As most of you know I am in the "no deal won't happen" camp for various reasons and today certainly hasn't changed my mind.

Nevertheless in the real world nothing is certain, and making contingency plans for unlikely events is not unreasonable.

So on that basis ... if you lived in the EU, and you had an elderly parent living alone in a rural location in the UK, would you consider getting them out of the UK for Brexit day?

Thats handy smile then you'll be aware that the Road Haulage Association do not share your laid back attitude, writing to the Govt in early August '19 about their concerns.

What 'laid back attitude'? I'm just not getting worried about problems which don't exist - 'cutting' import duty on petrol to 0% for example, or worrying about a traffic jam in Kent causing problems for a delivery from Hemel to London.

Interesting the narrative has subtly shifted to "The UK needs a new Brexit deal"

From skim reading it also seems that Boris is explaining the reason the UK needs a new deal is because Westminster is fucked.

I so hope Macron and Merkel are undercover MNetters and Boris comes back having heard "not our circus, not our monkeys" in stereo.

We are still going to crash out of course. But I think the no-dealers simply cannot contain the scale of the story and aren't going to be able to swerve the blame, which is to only glimmer for dejected remainers (like the famiglia Rossetti ...)

@Mistigri, yes, I would do that. It's better to be elsewhere and wrong than in the wrong place with issues re food, medicine and transportation. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

I'm not sure about crashing out though. For Bozo to go back on not meeting them until they cave, to actually going to meet them makes me think he's actually shitting himself about the corner he's now painted himself into with his gung ho rhetoric.

@FishesaPlenty regarding Bobs Plastics in Scunthorpe's first post Brexit shipment with no prep beforehand - could you expand on why it won't be a problem for them? Thanks in advance (always good to be prepared with a thank you)