Westminstenders: Charge!!!!

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Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

Only by some on MN would wanting a better life for those on the lower rungs of society would be thought of as fangirling LMFAO

Wanting this and thinking the sun shines out of Corbyn's arse are mutually exclusive you know! You appear to be blind to the man's faults and inability to unify MPs.

Both JS and JC need to rethink their positions here.

Ive not once been blind to the mans faults tbh but whatever fluffy you dont like the guy like i give a shit. Honestly I dont, but the 1 thing thats fact right now the only person who can prevent no deal is Corbyn, good or bad its still is a fact right now. I thought the timetable was sitting PM loses a VONC the leader of the opposition then has 14 days to command a majority in the house, the numbers arent good if Swinson keeps expecting Corbyn to stand aside, be it on their heads now if we crash out.

inews.co.uk/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-government-national-unity-plan-ridiculous-jo-swinson/

In a sane world, it would be that government that is the focus of people’s wrath, rather than Swinson or Corbyn

but the 1 thing thats fact right now the only person who can prevent no deal is Corbyn, good or bad its still is a fact right now.

No, that is not fact. It's not in his power to do this when he can't unify MPs to support him. This is where you're coming across as deluded.

And it doesn't have to be the leader of the opposition who heads up an alternative government. Again, you're wrong. It just has to be someone who can command a majority.

It's anyone who can command a majority in the HoC

However, realistically if Corbyn refuses to let his party support someone else as PM, only he has a chance of a majority

The problem is that imo he is not really bothered about No Deal - in fact sees it as a great opportunity to exploit later

So he doesn't care that someone else - with his support - would have a better chance than he does of stopping No Deal

It would be interesting to see if his MPs will turn against him in the same way some Tory MPs have turned against Johnson. I'm not sure this would be a vote loser for many!

I suppose it depends how much Corbyn wants what he wants and how much he wants to save his party! The narrative has changed somewhat over this last few days that who knows what happens next?

It looks to me like the beginnings of negotiations, each party setting out their stall. These are not non negotiable red lines so far as I can see. Yes, some of the positions are incompatible, but it's not the worst place to start. At least they are talking. My only worries are a) that it will take too long, and b) there is no option that can command a majority in the HoC.

What's the drop dead point for a VONC called by the official opposition? I'd guess 14 days before the last meeting of EU heads before 31 October, since they'd need to consider any extension request. Though they've always said that an extension due to GE is pretty much a given, maybe it wouldn't need to be at one of their planned meetings but could be done ad hoc?

Too little
Too late

I agree with your analysis, @TheMShip. This is just starting the ball rolling publicly (I'm pretty sure it's off the back of private talks, however).

I do think Labour will suffer at the polls if they fail to avoid no deal if at all possible in the same way (though maybe not quite as badly) as the LDs will. They all need to tread carefully, be pragmatic and learn the meaning of the word compromise!

Corbyn himself might not have changed his basic principles, and there was a lot to like in the last Labour Manifesto, but in the past we haven't had to deal with Momentum.

I also hope TheMShip is correct. It does make sense re negotiating positions but Swinson was massively clumsy about hers.

Wish Vince Cable hadn't stepped down. He's been advocating a Gov of NU on Twitter though.
Never had much regard for J Swinson, and would have voted for Ed Davey if I were still a member.

I can't bloody believe Jo Swinson! And Change UK saying they won't back Corbyn's efforts. Unfuckingbelievable, self-interested cunts.

I am sick to the back teeth of the tribalism of party politics in this country. This whole crisis really draws attention to its hugely damaging effects. I simply DO NOT CARE at this point which party stops no deal. I just want it stopped, by any means necessary. The childish bickering and fingerpointing and disunity on such an important issue is disgraceful: how the hell are we going to deal with much bigger issues like climate change in this kind of a state? We need a more cooperative politics. This is an embarrassment and a shitshow.

I agree, @verticality. Spot on.

They need to grow the fuck up and just do the best FOR THE COUNTRY, putting all party politics to one side.

I simply DO NOT CARE at this point which party stops no deal. I just want it stopped, by any means necessary. The childish bickering and fingerpointing and disunity on such an important issue is disgraceful: how the hell are we going to deal with much bigger issues like climate change in this kind of a state?

^THIS!!!!!

Whereas Swinson clearly made a tactical mistake in coming out so quickly and strongly against JC’s proposal, I think the response of many has been unreasonably harsh..... And I speak as someone who is neither a LD member nor someone who has a strong affinity for the LDs.

Of all the leaders who’s not been able to put country before party it’s JC. All the others have been prepared to countenance a compromise candidate whereas JC is insisting it must be Labour Government who runs the show, even though it clearly doesn’t matter who it is, despite the fact that this makes it less likely that enough Tories and independents will carry a VONC as a result.

JC is the “villain”’here shamelessly putting his party’s interests first, and it is quite understandable in my opinion that this has exasperated JS who in fairness to her has worked with many across party lines in recent months.

As long as she would choose a JC-led temporary Government over no-deal in the final analysis then she should be forgiven for her anger that JCs obstinate refusal to countenance another ‘compromise’ PM makes no-deal more, not less, likely.

The LD's will lose an awful lot of those new members, if they allow No Deal to happen. Me for one, and a good many of those who joined after the Referendum, who joined with the aim of trying to do Something.

But Swinson needs to act fast.... If she refuses to back JC, however grudgingly, then she’ll have made the LDs tuition fee debacle look like a picnic!

In fact, a highly grudging support of JC could help the LDs at the next election.... as it will be far less easy for Tories to paint them as Labour stooges in disguise.

Well if Johnson really does want a GE, all he has to do now is open his mouth and collective piss everyone off. Something he does very well.

It's still the silly season. Until the politicians walk through those lobbies in September, I am taking everything with a pinch of salt.

I think Lib Dems will join Labour in a VoNC. Jo's letter did not rule out Corbyn heading up a unity government - she just asked if the numbers were there from the Tory rebels.

I said that to Jo Swinson in my email yesterday, @peregrina. I'd resign my membership and never vote for them again.

Swinson has really blown this one - it's a PR disaster.

The LD's will lose an awful lot of those new members, if they allow No Deal to happen.

And the LDs will have destroyed themselves utterly as a result. What a chasm there’ll
then be in UK politics... millions upon millions without anyone to vote for!