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Westminstenders: Charge!!!!

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RedToothBrush · 11/08/2019 16:15

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

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Basilpots · 15/08/2019 12:32

So in view of discussing ‘political party swap’ news today Catherine Blaiklock the founder of the Limited Company Brexit Party has joined the Tory’s.

So she was booted out of BXP for Islamaphobia hmmm.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2019 12:40

Of course another PM would be much better than Corbyn,
but if he won't budge, then there are definitely NOT the votes for anyone else

No surprise he won't put the country before his party and his ego - that's one of the many reasons he is a shit Leader of the Opposition

However, if all parties also put their own interests first, then it's No Deal

  • personally, I'll attach some blame to every party who could have stopped it, but were too arrogant
and that includes hardcore Remainers who have consistently refused to consider anything outside their own proposals

imo, a coalition would be unwise, other than maybe including a couple of (retiring) Tory rebels

The other parties should offer Confidence & Supply and only for Brexit
If he reneges ôn an extension .... then he's out instantly

Corbyn can't do anything much on other policies without the agreement of Parliament
So refusing to work with him looks like a flounce into No Deal

They might be able to negotiate that the PV bill is passed before any GE
The Tories - if they actually get a majority after a GE - might decide that a PV is a way out for them
In fact, some are probably hoping for the excuse

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2019 12:44

Blimey, Basil The Tories & Farage are just swapping around anyone who gets too embarassing
Farage has been playing this with UKIP / BXP too

They think we won't notice - there is a long British history of renaming things that have become too embarassing
e.g. Sellafield / WIndscale

I'm waiting for Grenfell's new name

BJ has so many names, he could have several name changes if need be

RedToothBrush · 15/08/2019 12:44

I was being serious. We British have executed one monarch, and euthanised another (quiet openly). I really don't see a tragic "accident" is beyond the capabilities of the current crop of people in power, one of whom was quite happy to suggest genocide in an interview not even 6 months ago - and is now in place s Home fucking Secretary.

The death of the Queen would be a deus ex machina for Brexit, shutting out any hint of resistance, and leaving us to awake to a new King outside the EU.

Hand up who doesn't believe Boris and co are capable of that ? And if so, what it is in their fine, moral and upstanding past that leads them to the conclusion that having lied, cheated, bullied, and looked on as the blackshirts start revving up, they'd somehow have any qualms about cold blooded murder ?

I have long thought that republicanism was high on the next project list for Brexiteers.

Do I think they will murder the Queen to enable Brexit?

No. If only because I don't think we have enough of a timeframe for that at this point. I don't think they can whip something up quick enough for that, or have a fall guy in place for it.

Besides which killing off the Queen is a waste of energy. She's 93. What's the point in killing her off?

Far better to start up the Anti-Charles narrative between now and her death, especially since we know Charles has a least one foot on 'the wrong side of the culture war' with his environmental creditials. We know that Harry is 'a raving liberal' and is now a magnet for Farage led abuse (via Megan of course).

That leaves William and Kate - and it will be William rather than Charles as William will be percieved as an easier touch. Who may or may not be able to pull it off. William has picked up at least some of his father's interest in environmentalism and this seems to be some of his key causes - The Rhinos - for example. It is interesting that there is a growing distance between him and Harry too, which might go in his favour though.

We KNOW there will be a weak moment for the Monarchy when the Queen goes. If they wait for it, and prepare the ground they can get rid of the whole thing, without having to murder off the entire line of succession.

So no I don't think they will murder the Royals. They don't need to.

Are they capable of it? Thats another matter. I do think they will whip up anti-monarchy sentiment in the next couple of months.

Johnson is setting up a People v Parliament narrative for the GE. And we know that the Queen could be slap bang in the middle of a VoNC row, which also places her in the middle of a People v The Elite Establishment narrative.

That isn't going to go away, even if 'she behaves'. It suits their purposes to maintain control and to gain even more power going forward.

They can afford to be patient though, is more my point.

I don't think Priti Patel's agenda has genocide on the plan on her desk. It doesn't mean to say I don't think it possible. They've got a couple of years to bed in yet and get comfortable. We are still more 1933 rather than 1939.

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jasjas1973 · 15/08/2019 12:55

I think talk of a brexitier Govt being prepared to murder the Monarch makes remainers look utterly ridiculous... i ve read some bollocks posted by Leavers on here, FB and the press.... murder the Queen to enable brexit!!!!

Listen to yourselves!

ListeningQuietly · 15/08/2019 12:59

Rupert Lowe is the former chairman of Southamton FC
he is so hated there that his name has been defaced from the honours board in the Directors' corridor (not accessible by fans) Grin

TatianaLarina · 15/08/2019 13:06

We don’t know for sure that Corbyn won’t budge yet if sufficient pressure is put on him from all sides. I don’t hold much hope as I think he similarly rigid and intransigent as May and his advisors are determined.

But the bald fact is Corbyn is unlikely to be able to gain a majority even for a short time. So I don’t think it would work.

jasjas1973 · 15/08/2019 13:11

Hope you are wrong Tatiana unless he is bluffing just like May (my opinion) this is one of the last chances to stop no-deal/brexit.

TatianaLarina · 15/08/2019 13:15

So do I!

QueenOfThorns · 15/08/2019 13:17

Listen to yourselves!

Couldn’t agree more. Some posters on this thread seem to be living in their own dystopian screenplay.

TheABC · 15/08/2019 13:29

It's still silly season. My prediction is that two or more Tories will resign in September, triggering a vote of no confidence. Thereafter, there will be some form of coalition government, probably on the lines of confidence and supply only, just to deal with the Brexit issue.

Whatever happens next, there's going to be a General Election within 6 months. It's also Corbyn's last chance: if he does not get a shot now at being PM, he never will. I can't see him surviving for another five years in post with two failed GEs under his belt.

DGRossetti · 15/08/2019 13:31

Couldn’t agree more. Some posters on this thread seem to be living in their own dystopian screenplay.

Some posters even made that comment with the comments Grin. Not everybody lacks self awareness.

But I repeat the challenge. In a country whose Home Secretary advocated "starving the Irish" into submission less than six months ago, voices of moderation such as yours seem to be a touch behind events. I suggest it's incumbent upon those that wish to dismiss such suggestions to come up with a little bit more proof that "oh, don't be ridiculous". A year ago, the notion of proroguing parliament would have been treated as a pipe dream borne of a speed-fueled binge.

woman19 · 15/08/2019 13:42

Completely normal:
Opposition Woman MP's assassination and 3 years of death threats to sitting opposition MPs, PM invoking language of violence to threaten sitting MPs, Very prominent government politicians inciting racial attacks, Forcable deportations of british citizens in waist and hand chains.

Not normal:
Discussing what has happened before to a 'royal family'. Referencing recent comments by an anti royalist fascist who seems to be controlling the political agenda in the country.

If only it were a dystopian screenplay..........

QueenOfThorns · 15/08/2019 13:47

In a country whose Home Secretary advocated "starving the Irish" into submission less than six months ago, voices of moderation such as yours seem to be a touch behind events. I suggest it's incumbent upon those that wish to dismiss such suggestions to come up with a little bit more proof that "oh, don't be ridiculous". A year ago, the notion of proroguing parliament would have been treated as a pipe dream borne of a speed-fueled binge.

Well, she wasn’t Home Secretary then. No, of course I can’t provide such proof, and I must admit that I’m incredulous at some of the things our current Government does and says. I’m hoping for a Bobby Ewing moment, when I’ll wake up in the shower and it was all a nasty dream.
However, why would they kill the Queen? They have absolutely no need to, it’s all going swimmingly.

MrPan · 15/08/2019 13:47

Can't see Corbyn stepping aside, for a cause he doesn't support, for the elevation of others (as he would see it) he despises. There would have to be a "non-party" arrangement for Clarke/Starmer/Grieve/Harman to lead anything.

MrPan · 15/08/2019 13:51

No, Killing Lizzie wouldn't be needed, but the dystopian fantasy otherwise is creeping reality. A "war effort" allows sweeping powers and the diction is building for this. It's a right wing coup hiding in plain sight.

DGRossetti · 15/08/2019 13:55

Just leave this here, and await someone to call me "hysterical" ...

Westminstenders: Charge!!!!
jasjas1973 · 15/08/2019 14:01

Dickhead comment by Banks (and others) in no way backs up that Boris is planning to murder the Queen

The Queen won't stop brexit or interfere in the workings or otherwise of Parliament, she may take a view, might advise but she won't refuse to sign anything put in front of her or dismiss BJ.

That is not what a constitutional Monarch does, she takes advice from ministers and the privy council and will take it, anything else ensures she'll be the last monarch we have.

howabout · 15/08/2019 14:09

Per SkyNews:
"Conservative MPs who Jeremy Corbyn has written to over plans to avoid a 'no-deal' Brexit have said they are "happy to meet" the Labour leader and opposition parties to discuss proposals"

That just leaves the LibDems refusing to play ...

Hazardtired · 15/08/2019 14:32

I would tip my hat to any non Labour MP that would work with Corb to prevent no deal, he's not ideal and can be difficult but if he's suggesting a way forwards then it's the right thing to do.

tobee · 15/08/2019 15:48

So which side looks united? The government that pledged to support taking us out of EU do or die on October 31st before being given or job....

or.......?

MotherOfSoupDragons · 15/08/2019 15:53

So why now, JC? Why not several years months ago?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 15/08/2019 15:57

So why now, JC? Why not several years months ago?

I wont disagree that he could have done this a touch earlier but too early and it would have done nothing but unite the Tories and as we can already say the numbers might not even be there right now because of Swinsons and Chukkas stubbornness and ego's

DGRossetti · 15/08/2019 16:00

Dickhead comment by Banks (and others) in no way backs up that Boris is planning to murder the Queen

Just for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not saying Boris is planning on carrying out the second part of "House of Cards". But if he were to, I'd happily believe it. Which is not quite the same thing.

My original post was prompted by some interesting discussion from less MN-etty (yes, there really are sites other than this) sites ....

BigChocFrenzy · 15/08/2019 16:36

JC has left it v v late, maybe too late - because he is not that bothered about No Deal

Probably not acting now because of any cunning plan, but because Labour's internal polls showed the cost in lost Remainer votes of letting No Deal happen is too high

However, his proposal is the last real chance to stop No Deal, so Remainers and "soft" Leavers need to hold their noses and swallow it.