Westminstenders: Charge!!!!

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Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

he will cling on like a parasite.

good or bad the majority of the membership still want him as Labour leader so there he will remain until he resigns

good or bad the majority of the membership still want him as Labour leader so there he will remain until he resigns

I will not vote Labour until the hard left resigns.

Several reports that Tory rebels are refusing to back a VonC until all other means of stopping No Deal have been exhausted.
imo, they will almost certainly miscalculate when this time has been reached - I'd say it is now !

If they had really wanted, above all else, to stop No Deal, they would have voted for Joanna Cherry’s amendment when they had the chance. If the Brexiteers had been forced to stare the prospect of revocation in the eye maybe that would have focused minds for long enough to stop all the ridiculous posturing and get the WA over the line.

Like yolo, for the longest time I didn’t believe ‘they’ would let No Deal happen. I feared No Deal, I talked endlessly to friends and family about how No Deal could happen and how it was the default if nothing else was agreed, but deep down there was a part of me that refused to believe the worst truly would happen.

PMK with a Spanish lagartija for a change.

Have you seen how they took over the Labour party? They would go full totalitarian and do the same to the UK government, you would never get rid of him like they got rid of May, he will cling on like a parasite.

Taking over a party is one thing. The parliamentary arithmetic however is quite a different matter. A minority Corbyn government would be a single issue government able to command a majority only on a narrow range of questions (ie no deal, perhaps some other non controversial decisions in the public interest ).

A Corbyn government would have to go to the country within weeks.

Hammond's letter, Tom Watson's talks with Lib Dems (he's another one who would prefer no deal to Corbyn) and pressure on Corbyn at conference is still no plan. They all seem to know what they don't want but until they can say/agree on what they do want so it's hopeless.

I agree, I think the time to act is immediately upon the resumption of Parliament if No Deal is to be stopped. I get the point about the Cherry amendment but I could see (then) why it didn't have the support. Looking back on it now, maybe singing has a point.

I see so many posts on here and on social media asking Leavers for details on what they want and how it can be achieved. I also want the same detail and clarity from Remain MPs and People's Vote campaigners but never get it. I'm fed up with the lot if them.

A Corbyn government would have to go to the country within weeks.

And this is why I don't think it will happen.
Risk for Labour is blocking No Deal just long enough for A GE where the Tories get a massive majority due to Brexit backlash. Potential upside if they were to garner huge chunk of LibDems and Tory Remainers but comments here suggest this is unlikely. If this were the outcome it would not suit Tom Watson and co as then it would be Corbyn led Labour for the foreseeable.
Risk for LibDems is that in backing Corbyn they give away their USP and go back to being a rump party.
Risk for Tory Remainers is that they all lose the Whip and their seats in the GE and the Tory Parliamentary Party starts to look and think a lot more like the membership. Also risk of letting in Brexit Party MPs.
Risk for SNP is fostering the rebirth of Labour in Scotland.
Actually struggling to see a downside for Boris except from Brexit Party.

A Corbyn government would have to go to the country within weeks.

I still wouldn't vote for them, imagine what they could do in five years.

I wouldn't vote for Lucas (constantly apologising to the bullying wokester mob she is weak) or Swinson either, they are liars with zero integrity, I don't believe for one moment that they truly believe some of the anti scientific things they say, and they don't respect democracy, we would end up with a totalitarian gamblers mess that will keep breaking down in that alliance.

I am not voting for an ERG totalitarian gamblers either.

I can't in good conscience vote, especially as every vote we make is being held against us currently and by future generations.

I also want the same detail and clarity from Remain MPs and People's Vote campaigners but never get it. I'm fed up with the lot if them.

The problem is those opposed to no-deal are very divided. Most of the ‘Gaukward Squad’ Tories and some Labour MPs want to leave but with a WA - they want to respect the referendum result... Others are full on for 2nd referendum in order to legitimise revocation. There is no majority for either in the HoC. That’s why they will fail and we’ll end up with a no-deal.

Still considering a "vote " which says "You are all wankers but whoever supports Remain after this shitshow will get my one off vote ". It'd have to be the Lib Dems. God forgive me with all their woke bollocks.

Agree with that. If "no deal" is to be stopped, I think it is essential that it is made clear that just no deal is being stopped, not anything else.

One way this might be done is to accompany any anti no-deal motion/vote with a clear statement by means of a vote detailing what kind of Brexit there is parliamentary support for. Actually the latter ought to come first, but I'm not betting that it would.

Adam Fleming @adamfleming
Here's that £300m No Deal "airlift" tender document that was discussed on @BBCr4today this morning. (1)
www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/Notice/c00c96d9-251d-4c49-84f2-573254af3dd6?p=@FQxUlRRPT0=NjJNT08=U

It's for a framework so it's about lining up suppliers who could provide a service in future, in this case carrying trucks or containers by boat, train or plane between the UK and the EEA and between GB and Northern Ireland. It's for UP TO £300m and for up to 4 years. (2)

FOUR YEARS

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Full letter: Last month’s Chancellor of the Exchequer writing to the current PM asking him to take action to “reassure the currency markets” after recent sterling slides on rising chance of No Deal - alongside 20 other MPs, mainly former ministers.

..so this 21 MP letter was sent before the PM gave this intriguing clip yesterday (after a number of seemingly No Deal +ve developments) when asked about a deal with US - that a a trade agreement with Europe was “single biggest deal we need to do”...

From yesterday:
On day President Trump’s top adviser said US would enthusiastically back UK after No Deal, & a poll suggesting wider public support for ND ... PM stresses that “the single biggest deal that we need to do” is “with our friends and partners over the Channel”...
Includes video:
twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1161380703499669504

A perfect example of this problem here, even on a shared platform where party leaderships are supposed to be working to avert no deal, and Jo Swinson just can't help herself.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/tom-watson-tells-jeremy-corbyn-to-work-with-jo-swinson-1-6214676

Presumably People's Vote and Remain MPs first want to revoke and maintain the status quo? It really is up to Leavers to define the sort of Leave that they will accept.

I agree Oakenbeach .Those trying to stop no deal should have faced the reality of all the positions you have mentioned months ago and come to an agreement. If they can't do that in the next few weeks then I will view them as uncompromising arseholes, just like the hard brexiteers.

Peregrina is that true ? I thought the People's Vote was about another referendum rather than revoke ? It is also up to those People's Vote campaigners/MPs to define exactly what they want on a ballot, so far they have failed to do this. I think they are so arrogant that they think people have not noticed this major flaw in their proposal.

I don't really know what the People's Vote want. I can't imagine that they really want another 52:48% result on the same undefined terms. They do need to be pressing for some tangible objectives.

PV have through idiocy or otherwise, wasted 3 of our precious years.

It's been Grassroots volounteers versus established political organisations all the way through this for remain/ soft brexit. The opposite being true for the other side.

We are where we are though: still in the EU thanks to the work of grassroots workers and no one else.

I am still reeling at the shortages of intravenus drip story a few pages back. And 4 years of enforced food and medicine shortages. Quite Stalinist really, this brexit

The British did not just create a new type of British passport the British National (Overseas) Passport at the time of the handover, which limited the right of Hong Kong Permanent residency holders (who previously had the right of abode in the U.K.) to visit the U.K. for a maximum of six months. It also tried to prevent the Portuguese from offering citizenship to the Macanese on the basis they would use that to flood into Britain using EU freedom of movement. This was in spite of the fact that Macanese culture is much more a fusion of Portuguese and Chinese culture, there was much more integration than in Hong Kong, and indeed there was no such influx www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2156385/britains-disgraceful-pre-handover-efforts-deny-nationality

The idea of offering rights of abode to British National (Overseas) passport holders, there are around 750000 of them, was proposed by the British politicians involved in Hong Kong watch, led by the late Paddy Ashdown, during the last round of protest. So it is not a new idea. If there is a crackdown that creates many political prisoners / refugees then there will certainly be BNO passport holders among them able to claim asylum during a six month stay. They will in the main be educated and motivated too, not that that will sway Pritti given she is about to deny visas to a large section of the highly educated international scientific community , unless it starts paying £36k to its junior PhD level researchers. Even in London the Crick pays its senior researchers £32k with all the other researchers paid on a scale between £22 -29k (that is research scientists not all the assistants and technicians they need to support that research)

I heard IDS on radio 4 after Hammond this morning.
Ditto - I guess it's beyond the wit of the interviewers to ask "so in less than a month you've been able to do more preparation than was done in the last 3 years"

These overpaid dunces just go in with a pre-prepared bunch of questions and are too slow witted to adapt on the fly, wouldn't surprise me if the questions were prepared by a minimum wage researcher rather than the pompous twits themselves.

@Survation
NEW: Preferred Brexit outcome, updated:

Remain in the EU 43% (+2)
Leave the EU with a deal 29% (+2)
Leave the EU without a deal19% (-6)
Don’t know 9% (+2)

That's -6 for no deal.

Thanks again to grass roots workers for moving that dial. (Surrey for Europe are lovely folks, moanranger)

@Survation
NEW: UK General Election voting intention, 6th-11th August 2019:
This is our first published VI poll since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.

CON 28%, LAB 24%, LD 21%, BREX 15%, SNP 4%, GRE 3%, AP 4%

Swinson/Watson/Lucas/Sturgeon : Revoke alliance looks just the ticket.