Westminstenders: Charge!!!!

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Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

Crikey woman19. I wonder how many leave with deal people would switch to remain if it was a choice between remain and no deal.

Matthew Holehouse @mattholehouse
In a combative address, broadcast from his office over Facebook, the Prime Minister said opposition lawmakers were to blame for the floundering negotiations, and accused them of acting in "terrible collaboration" with foreign governments. #brexitforforeigncorrespondents

Over Facebook.

Addressing the nation and opposition.
Or Targetted Election Campaign.

hmmm....

terrible collaboration

What like Johnson/Banon/farage/banks/trump/Putin collaboration?

Hypocritical fuckwit.

Oh and he's done the 'first ever People's Question Time'

Again.

On facebook.

Was just going to post that Hazard. Governnment by trolling

Reminds me of Putin's cosy TV phone ins.

On the face of it its not a bad idea IMO. Clearly the questions were vetted to remove anything seriously "off message" though and he ripped through superficial answer after superficial answer. Not surprised, Not very impressed.

Has he started tweeting yet?

One example:

Q Nicky in Scotland asks how the PM will preserve the United Kingdom

A Its the most important union of the last few centuries. Johnson essentially says he will talk up the union.

I've lifted that from the Graun so he might have said something more substantive, but if that is a fair reflection of his actual response to the question she asked, its disgraceful.

Apologies for being clueless here (I'm trying to keep up!)
If we leave with no deal, and everything goes horribly wrong, would it be too late to accept the current WA just to get things going again (would it be possible?)

A Corbyn government would have to go to the country within weeks.

And this is why I don't think it will happen.

This is precisely why Corbyn shouldn't lead a govt of national unity - he should suck it up, step back and keep his hands clean ready for the GE, letting someone who isn't even planning to stand again next time bear the brunt of it. (although at 70 - that person could easily be him)
And it would solve the problem of all the liars idiots who say they will do anything to stop no deal ... except work with Corbyn.

And a govt of national unity can easily include the David Gauke 'respect the referendum' types and the hardline revokers - if their entire reason for existence is giving the people a confirmatory vote on whether we want the deal or to remain. You know - like Jacob Rees Mogg said we should have back in 2013.
They don't have to agree on what they would like the outcome of a confirmatory vote to be. They just have to agree to implement it before they then dissolve parliament for an election. (they have to implement it before election - otherwise, if Boris were to win he could ignore the vote and no deal us with 5 years of secure premiership ahead of him.)

It's all so frustratingly simple. But they can't do it. It begs the question do any of them - even the lib dems really want to avoid no deal if they can't just follow such a simple plan? They clearly don't want to avoid no deal as much they want to avoid a Corbyn govt - and if that is anyone's stance then they won't have my support come election time. It doesn't matter who leads a temporary govt. They should all be willing to work with anyone otherwise they are letting no deal happen with their blessing.

They should all remember that the centre/left of politics is always punished much more harshly for failure by voters than the right. If they fail to stop no deal because they were fighting amongst themselves they will shoulder a fair portion of the blame for no deal (and it will be fair - they could ave stopped it!). Meanwhile Boris Johnson and his ilk will just brush it off - because no one ever expected any better of them.

Yes socks too late.

It's all so frustratingly simple.

And this is why they're continuing to fail us. They're all as culpable as each other, outside of the sphere of direct influence.

Why is Boris talking about haggis fgs on that video clip? Is it something like bent bananas or kippers? I don’t think any concern of his about haggis will convince many Scottish people to vote for him.
One of my daughters was born in an African country which would not have given her a passport. We registered her at the British embassy and she got a British one. However if she had a child born outside the UK, with a British passport holder in the same circumstances, the child would not be entitled to a British passport.
I knew someone who, for this reason, had a stateless child. The country of birth eventually caved in and gave the child a passport.
This occurred due to Thatcher trying to stop those with British passports, living in former colonies, passing down their right to a British passport to their descendants.
Does anyone else think Cummings is the one running this country and if so do they know what his agenda is? I’ve tried to work it out but anything I come up with seems too farfetched to be believable.

I wonder how many leave with deal people would switch to remain if it was a choice between remain and no deal.

And how many “leave with deal” would switch to “leave with no deal” if a deal was unachievable. It’s not a one way street.... Most Tory MPs (and my DP!) would probably fall into this category. It would have been really useful if Survation could have asked that supplementary question....

This is precisely why Corbyn shouldn't lead a govt of national unity

Corbyn won’t lead a Government of National unity to stop a no-deal, precisely because he secretly would love a no-deal.... as that gives him the best chance (at least as he sees it) of the country turning to his brand of socialism.

Place marking
after two weeks in the land of Trump
where there was ZERO interest or knowledge of Brexit, or in fact the UK in general.
Lots of homeless people without healthcare (physical or mental)
utterly crumbling infrastructure
helicopter insecticide spraying of nature reserves
and antibiotic laced flavourless meat
climate change denial writ large

Its very nice to be back in Europe

*I wonder how many leave with deal people would switch to remain if it was a choice between remain and no deal.

And how many “leave with deal” would switch to “leave with no deal” if a deal was unachievable. It’s not a one way street.... Most Tory MPs (and my DP!) would probably fall into this category. It would have been really useful if Survation could have asked that supplementary question....*

They did ask about second preferences, actually. See attached screenshot.

Welcome back LQ

where there was ZERO interest or knowledge of Brexit, or in fact the UK in general

Look on the bright side - they can't be laughing at us if they don't know what's going on! I'll take ignorance and zero interest over ridicule any day of the week.

Whereabouts were you Listening - if you don't mind me asking?

I haven't been to America since the halcyon days of 2014 (we were ever so young?) They were just kicking off the presidential nominations battle and I remember thinking 'oh no - not Jeb Bush!' ... oh what we wouldn't give for a Bush presidency right about now. Scary how the overton window has moved so far so quickly.

Surely it's not actually big news that 'leave with a deal' is 1st or 2nd preference for the overwhelming majority. It's the middle ground. Of course people move from the extreme ends (the extremity of wanting the status quo and for things not to get worse ) to the compromise position rather than the opposite extreme.

It means that a deal has a good chance of winning a PV (so what are they so afraid of?) but the biggest single chunk of the population is remain supporting.

Pretzels
I was in DC, Phili, New York and Long Island.
The land of pickup trucks and aircon set at 64F in gridlock traffic.
I have visited there many times but the mood has turned distinctly isolationist and paranoid.
Not good.
Anybody who thinks that the US will look after the UK in any way is in for a nasty shock.

To see what those in charge believe will happen:

just look at the frantic govt & other Brexiter prepping to blame the EU & Remainer "saboteurs" indicate

They are only prepping scapegoats because they expect No Deal will be a disaster

They obviously don't BeLeave properly, that No Deal would be a Great British success story

• or they wouldn't need any scapegoats

Government projections back in 2018 were that a "no deal" Brexit would reduce UK GDP overall by a few %
and the GDP of various Uk regions by several %,

e.g the NorthEast down 16%, NorthWest down by 12%

In comparison, this is how the Global Financial Crisis of 2008 - our biggest modern economic disaster - hit British GDP:

2008 Q2: -0.2%
2008 Q3: -1.7%
2008 Q4: -2.2%
2009 Q1: -1.8%
2009 Q2: -0.3%

The Brexit vote imo was swung by the fact that average real Uk wages,

• i.e. purchasing power after inflation etc -

was actually 10% lower in 2015 than in 2007

Only Portugal & Greece were that bad !

People get very angry when they feel poorer, especially when they can see a minority getting very much richer

We cannot predict what the effect of Brexit added to this existing anger will be,
on how people will vote, how easily the populists will gain support from an angry, probably poorer & humiliated country

TheMShip I never said it was a one way street.

Well, according to the email I got this morning, from the FBI, due to cyber crime, I've got 30,000,000 dollars coming my way. So all my Brexit worries are over.