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Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

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CleopatrasMum · 08/08/2019 21:11

Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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Wiltshirelass2019 · 09/08/2019 09:35

Also in an era of climate change, why would we want to go even further afield to import our goods?

Yes I do agree with this, it makes more sense to have goods from either ourselves locally or our nearest neighbours.

Iggly · 09/08/2019 09:36

MPs have ruled out another referendum so if voters want to change their minds they must wait till the next general election

You make no sense at all. I said the referendum result was marginal. You said it wasn’t on a constituency basis. I’ve said that’s irrelevant because that isn’t the measure.
A general election would be a vote on MPs, not a referendum style question. So what’s your point?

Because PM at the time was a remain supporter

Her brexiteer cabinet members were charged with dealing with Brexit......

Wiltshirelass2019 · 09/08/2019 09:36

Of course EU countries have an advantage - that’s the whole point. Let’s not pretend that leavers really give a shit about far flung countries being unable to sell to the UK because of the big bad EU. I don’t think this is true, I think people do care, I feel uncomfortable being part of the eu in this respect although I’m not a ‘leaver’...

Iggly · 09/08/2019 09:39

The thing I want to know is, those gunning for no deal - they do, I hope, realise we will negotiate a new trade deal with the EU?

And as our closest countries, it makes sense to trade with them the most.

They’re not going to go away.

I think that element has been lost in all the rage.

People are angry but cannot give a coherent reason - based on logic and facts. Not myths and legend.

Iggly · 09/08/2019 09:40

I don’t think this is true, I think people do care, I feel uncomfortable being part of the eu in this respect although I’m not a ‘leaver’

When did you become uncomfortable?

Personally I don’t like some of the aspects of the EU, but we’ll have to deal with them like it or not.

Personally I think that we should aim for the best possible terms with the EU after Brexit.

They’ve done a lot of good for us and that really has been lost in all of this.

TheElementsSong · 09/08/2019 09:42

but some of them still are, correct?

Yes, is this one of those situations where anything less than a perfect 100% ideal is unacceptable? To be clear, are you proposing that what the [New Free Brexitannia of unassailable perfection] will be doing is instantly offering every country in the world zero tariffs on everything? As I'm a layperson regarding trade matters, I do unfortunately get information from the internet - so I would appreciate some explanation of how, if we do offer everybody zero tariffs on everything because of being fair, why they'd bother making trade deals with us (we were promised queues of awestruck countries desperate to make trade deals, IIRC).

x

Wiltshirelass2019 · 09/08/2019 09:44

Iggly I’ve become uncomfortable about certain things within the EU since the referendum, I’ve learnt a lot more about the EU than I knew before - it wasn’t really something I ever thought about, probably like most people.

I hope we stay on good terms with the EU too. I don’t want to leave but I do want things to be ok afterwards so I’m trying to find positives in Brexit and I really hope it works out well x

tomtom1999xx · 09/08/2019 09:46

Please can someone tell me the guaranteed - with 100% factual evidence, that remaining in the EU is the best option.
Because at this moment in time it’s just predictions, on both sides.
Anyone can predict anything. Doesn’t mean it’s definitely going to happen Grin
Why do remainers have such blind faith that Remaining in the EU is the very best option?
In 5 years time the EU could be very different to how it is now.

bellinisurge · 09/08/2019 09:48

Because of shit like this @tomtom1999xx
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-gdp-economy-brexit-no-deal-boris-johnson-latest-a9047956.html

Wiltshirelass2019 · 09/08/2019 09:48

tomtom1999xx This is why Brexit is so divisive though, no one really knows - it could be great, it could be shit, it could be the same.

Clavinova · 09/08/2019 09:50

Iggly
That article thinks the way forward is lots and lots of deals with lots of smaller countries.
Which is impractical

Obviously not - the EU has trade deals with 70 countries - not necessarily to the UK's advantage though.

Iggly · 09/08/2019 09:53

Why do remainers have such blind faith that Remaining in the EU is the very best option?
In 5 years time the EU could be very different to how it is now

Er we are in the EU now? So...... we kind of know what we are getting.

The biggest problem I have with the Leave campaign is the racism. Not very leaver is a racist, but the campaign itself made up racist lies and stirs racism.

A few days the Leave.EU Facebook page had a video of a woman in a burka being caught shoplifting. Planting the seed that Muslims = immigrants = criminals

That video has nothing to do with leaving the EU. Anyone can wear a burka.

Pure and utter racism.

Iggly · 09/08/2019 09:54

Obviously not - the EU has trade deals with 70 countries - not necessarily to the UK's advantage though

And by extension we have those trade deals and will now have to renegotiate them solo.

Java2019 · 09/08/2019 09:55

No other EU member has left before so to say for certain it will be better or worse for UK is guesswork. However, even JRM thinks it could take up to 50 years before UK feels the full benefit of Brexit. Long time to wait to see if it was good or bad.

Iggly · 09/08/2019 09:56

To me it would have made sense to have a longer transition to exit. So leave on 31 October and have a transition period where we switch over to new trading arrangements, especially as this hasn’t been done before.

Java2019 · 09/08/2019 09:57

Not very leaver is a racist, but the campaign itself made up racist lies and stirs racism

Tabloids stirred up a lot about immigration prior to the referendum. Leave supporters I know say they voted leave for two key reasons

Brussels commissioners are not elected

Immigration

Clavinova · 09/08/2019 10:00

bellinisurge
Your link says, "Britain's economy unexpectedly shrank 0.2 per cent in the second quarter."

It's the same bad news for Germany though - 7th August 2019;

"Andreas Scheuerle, from DekaBank, said the industrial data suggested the economy contracted by 0.2% in the second quarter."

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/07/german-industrial-production-suffers-amid-us-china-tension

MockerstheFeManist · 09/08/2019 10:02

Blue Passport Update:

"No obligation" to adopt Burgandy Red.

www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/595-croatia-will-not-change-the-colour-of-its-passports

bellinisurge · 09/08/2019 10:05

And so @Clavinova , why is adding a further shake to the economy via No Deal a good idea?
Link, please.

SistemaAddict · 09/08/2019 10:05

So patriotic they move to the other side of the world Hmm Could we send all the "patriotic" ones there.

tomtom1999xx · 09/08/2019 10:05

Iggly

You don’t know what the EU will be like in 10 years time. No one does. Even the EU.

Iggly · 09/08/2019 10:05

Tabloids stirred up a lot about immigration prior to the referendum. Leave supporters I know say they voted leave for two key reasons

And a lot of it was misinformation and bullshit.

The commissioner one is interesting because I strongly suspect that people don’t know why exactly that’s a bad thing.

Iggly · 09/08/2019 10:06

You don’t know what the EU will be like in 10 years time. No one does. Even the EU

I know that being part of the EU would make it easier to influence any changes or the direction it was heading 🤷🏻‍♀️

Clavinova · 09/08/2019 10:08

Iggly
And by extension we have those trade deals and will now have to renegotiate them solo.

We have transitioned agreements with over 40 countries - MyOtherProfile said "almost none" - at least 10 of the countries on her link we are probably not that bothered about at the moment, Albania, Moldova...

We agreed some sort of partnership agreement with Mexico only yesterday;
www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-secretary-to-sign-landmark-agreement-to-boost-economic-growth-in-uk-and-mexico

bellinisurge · 09/08/2019 10:09

@tomtom1999xx , but I know what making stuff more expensive via a No Deal shock looks like. I've been an adult for a long time.
An orderly Brexit is tolerable; a No Deal flounce is unacceptable. Why conflate the two unless it is to mask the dreadfulness of No Deal by pretending that's how Brexit must be.
NI special economic zone/border in the sea = orderly Brexit. Why can't we do that?