Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

[CleopatrasMum]

Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[Loopytiles]

No brexit please.

[Peregrina]

We have 30 million votes cast for an orderly exit.

Yes, but... I am not sure which thread it was on but Clavinova has already tried to debunk that. IIRC She argued that most MPs were for remain and that is why Brexit had been thwarted. Someone else pointed out that since there had been a GE since the Referendum then these Remain MPs had been returned by the electorate so this must be what the electorate wanted. To which Clavinova's lame response was that the MPs lied!

I can't remember what the debate was around arch Brexiters like Rees-Mogg voting down the WA.

[bellinisurge]

@MysteryTripAgain , the EU will talk if we drop the all UK red line. Varadkar has said so.

[MysteryTripAgain]

Seems the orderly approach is off the table as neither EU nor UK are in communication. So that leaves two outcomes;

No deal, or

No Brexit.

No brexit when 31 Oct 2019 is only 80 days away seem very unlikely.

VoNC needs to be successful. Then MPs have to form an alternative government and hold a GE all before 31 Oct 2019.

Even a GE is not certain to produce a pro remain majority. So back to square one.

Alternatively new law is passed that states Article 50 is to be revoked, but time to get through the system (assuming it gets off the ground to begin with) would likely go beyond 31 Oct 2019 as well.

[Frankiestein402]

Agree mystery, my point was that it is not possible to argue that piece of 'small print' permits an interpretation that voters were providing a mandate for no deal. We have 30 million votes cast for an orderly exit.

[MysteryTripAgain]

@Frankeitstein402

but we continue to believe that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK

Issue here is that difference of opinion on what is a bad deal is as big as the difference in the 2016 results.

as frictionless a border as possible for people

This appears to be acknowledgement that a completely frictionless border is not possible.

[Frankiestein402]

Here you are:-
The negotiations will undoubtedly be tough, and there will be give and take on both sides, but we continue to believe that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK. But we will enter the negotiations in a spirit of sincere cooperation and committed to getting the best deal for Britain. We will make sure we have certainty and clarity over our future, control of our own laws, and a more unified, strengthened United Kingdom.
We will control immigration and secure the entitlements of EU nationals in Britain and British nationals in the EU. We will maintain the Common Travel Area and maintain as frictionless a border as possible for people, goods and services between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Workers’ rights conferred on British citizens from our membership of the EU will remain. We will pursue free trade with European markets, and secure new trade agreements with other countries. We want to work together in the fight against crime and terrorism, collaborate in science and innovation – and secure a smooth, orderly Brexit. And we will protect the democratic freedom of the people ofGibraltar and our overseas territories to remain British, for as long as that is their wish. The final agreement will be subject to a vote in both houses of parliament.

[cherin]

“India is a massive static market for the UK, but I would also like to see India opening up to more of our great brands.In India Sainsbury’s can’t set up, they have no Waitrose in India."^
M&S has 77 shops in India according to heir website, so I suspect if they can set up there, Sainsbury could (if they wanted to).

[Clavinova]

Frankiestein402
why didn't you paste the whole paragraph?

I tried - I couldn't copy and paste any of it.

[Frankiestein402]

@clavinova - p36 - why didn't you paste the whole paragraph?

You cannot possibly be saying that that paragraph (or anything in the plan or manifesto) is asking for a 'no deal' mandate?

(Let alone the masochistic john bull approach of the current clowns.)

[Frankiestein402]

Interestingly? Looking at that BBC report in the wayback machine the 'Being prepared to walk away from talks: "No deal is better than a bad deal."'' was not derived from either the 12 point plan or the withdrawal letter. In fact the 12th point in the plan is aligned with the manifesto's orderly exit
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From
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170605094434/www.conservatives.com/planforbrexit" rel="nofollow noindex" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20170605094434/www.conservatives.com/planforbrexit

12. Deliver a smooth, orderly exit from the EU

We will seek a phased process of implementation, in which both the UK and the EU institutions and the remaining EU Member States prepare for the new arrangements that will exist between us.

With a strong hand in the Brexit negotiations, Theresa May can guarantee Britain’s economic security and future prosperity for you and your family.

A vote for any other party risks Jeremy Corbyn running the Brexit negotiations and putting jobs, living standards and our economic security at risk.

[Clavinova]

Frankiestein402

That 'old chestnut', "no deal is better than a bad deal" is on page 36 of the manifesto - under 'Leaving the European Union.'

[prettybird]

(Student) Ds bought a smart jacket and white shirt (to go with the black trousers he already had) for £22 (full price)from Primark. Does suggest that those that don't know you can already buy cheap clothes in the UK is clueless about life here is somewhat removed from current reality and best ignored

[Peregrina]

If Johnson does offer more visas to India many of us would welcome that. But I am pretty sure that many of those he wants to entice back from UKIP/Brexit Party to the Tory fold, would most definitely not welcome it.

[Frankiestein402]

@clavinova
Tory manifesto was published 18th May 17 - long after the letters you quote. The fact that the BBC reporter clearly hadn't read the manifestos two weeks later does not alter the fact that the vast majority of MPs in the house today were elected on manifestos that precluded 'no deal' and that is what 30 million voters thought they were getting.

[jasjas1973]

"July 2019 "Boris Johnson, the new British Prime Minister, is expected to rely on his declared personal connect with Prime Minister Narendra Modi to deliver a “truly special” UK-India relationship and strike a “new and improved” trading relationship."

Modi is an Asian Putin, i'd not hold your breath, look at Modi's behavior over Kashmir to see what the UK is dealing with.
TBH.... sounds a bit like Trump and his great friend Kim.

India will prove to be an impenetrable market, much like China, with the advantages going one way.........East.

[bellinisurge]

Careful @Clavinova , I got slagged off as goady for doing that. Obviously you aren't goady with your random stuff

[Clavinova]

bellinisurge
Just popping in.

[bellinisurge]

Cut and paste machine is working again

[Clavinova]

BBC General election 2017: Where UK's parties stand on Brexit

Brexit is a major issue at the UK general election - here's what we know about where the main parties across the UK stand.

The Conservatives

"In short: Prime Minister Theresa May was against Brexit before the EU referendum but now says there can be no turning back and that "Brexit means Brexit".^

"How the party sees Brexit: The Conservatives' priorities were set out in a 12 point plan published in January and the letter formally invoking Brexit in March."

"Key elements include"
◾No longer being bound by EU law and European Court of Justice rulings
◾Quitting the EU single market and seeking a "comprehensive" free trade deal in its place
◾Striking trade deals with other countries around the world
◾A "great repeal bill" to convert existing EU law into UK legislation to be retained or scrapped
Being prepared to walk away from talks: "No deal is better than a bad deal."
◾Aiming for an "early agreement" to resolve the status of expats in the UK and EU
◾Leaving the EU customs union and seeking a new customs agreement
◾An as-yet unspecified immigration system to replace the free movement of EU citizens, aiming to bring total net migration below 100,000
◾Keeping all employment rights currently guaranteed by EU law
◾Promising the "voices and interests" of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will be heard

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39665835

[Clavinova]

The EU has firmed up deals with the rest of our proposed partners except India and we now don't want to deal with India.(visas)

Boris Johnson wants a trade deal with India (his estranged wife is half Indian - her mother is Indian);

"July 2019 "Boris Johnson, the new British Prime Minister, is expected to rely on his declared personal connect with Prime Minister Narendra Modi to deliver a “truly special” UK-India relationship and strike a “new and improved” trading relationship."

"He pledged not only closer trade ties but also easier access for Indian professionals and students."

"the senior Tory MP branded it a “travesty” that the 28-member economic bloc had failed to treat free trade agreement (FTA) talks with India as a priority for over a decade."

"India is an economic powerhouse and set to become the third largest economy by the middle of the century, with annual economic growth far outpacing the EU." ... "Securing this new and improved trading relationship with our friends in India will be a priority for me.”

"He also plugged his proposals for a so-called “Australian-style points-based system” of immigration, which would ensure friends, family members and business contacts in India do not face undue discrimination or barriers when seeking to work, travel or study in the UK."

“India is a massive static market for the UK, but I would also like to see India opening up to more of our great brands.In India Sainsbury’s can’t set up, they have no Waitrose in India."^

"He has in the past also made several interventions over the high duties imposed by India on Scotch whisky."

www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/world/uks-new-pm-boris-johnson-to-use-personal-modi-connect-for-new-and-improved-uk-india-ties/article28687783.ece

[frumpety]

And Home Bargains and Poundland

[frumpety]

T-shirt in Primark for DS £1.80, that's not a reduced price, that's the full price.

[frumpety]

Got to throw Sports Direct and Amazon into the mix as well, every single person in the UK can access cheap alternatives should they wish to do so. Seriously, how much cheaper do you expect stuff to get ? Or haven't you been shopping here recently ?

[frumpety]

Cost of; food clothing and footwear is forecast to reduce significantly under a no deal brexit as access to cheaper alternatives is possible as EU regulations which protect high prices are side stepped.

Its almost as though Primark and Jack fultons don't exist, where did you say you live again Nosy ?