Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

[CleopatrasMum]

Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

And what about with the EU itself?

Our biggest trading partner?

Businesses are being told they should trade with more smaller countries, with possibly more unstable governments than that on our doorstep. And the uk government has to spend time dealing with this nonsense because people are scared of immigrants.

One is that more people want to leave the UK because of Brexit. We have a chronic housing shortage, too few hospitals and schools for the amount of people who live here, so if people leave that’ll be less of a problem.

Also want to add I don’t want Brexit but that’s an advantage I can think of

I'm old @Hithere12 . The NHS has shit hospitals and longer queues long before Freedom of Movement.

And what about with the EU itself?
That would be nice - but they don't want to negotiate the backstop.

Most UK businesses don't export at all of course (less than 10% of SMEs export) - but they have been drowning in EU red-tape for years - that is why so many owners of small and medium sized businesses voted to leave the EU.

Why change the backstop? It's you that has the problem with it. An NI only backstop is still on offer.

but they have been drowning in EU red-tape for years

Can you give us concrete examples of such red tape? Something that really impedes trade?

What red tape is this? Actual examples.

NI special economic zone/border in the sea = orderly Brexit. Why can't we do that?

Scotland will likely object if NI is given special treatment. How would EU justify unequal treatment?

A united Ireland would solve the border issue, but that can't be dictated by Brussels or Westminster.

Scotland is not the same as NI. Only naive ignorance tells you it is. Scotland has its own arguments.

That would be nice - but they don't want to negotiate the backstop

They’ve negotiated with us already.

And what exactly is the problem with the backstop?

The clue is in the name. It’s a back stop I.e. to be implemented in the case of a worst case scenario.

Makes perfect sense to have one to me. The UK government has no jurisdiction over the Republic of Ireland so how can it seek to dictate removing something that they want and agree to?

“but they have been drowning in EU red-tape for years”

I honestly don’t understand this- what red tape do you mean?

Scotland is not the same as NI

Both are in the EU.

If she can't copy and paste it then Clav can't even attempt to answer it.

Tell me you understand the difference @Java2019 ?

'EU Red Tape'
= standards that the UK has led the drive for and got other EU countries to adopt to mirror US
= food safety standards
= words rights such as maternity and maximum number of hours you can work

Also, can you explain why getting rid of these and replacing them with UK red tape it will be better?

UK red tape
= customs declarations because we are no longer in the EU
= rules of origin declarations if we do get a deal
= import / export paper work because we are no longer in the Single Market
= more import / export stuff with countries outside the EU because we no longer have a trade deal with them either
= more dealings with HMRC because of the above

Its funny, we always hear the point about how much extra red tape the EU apparently creates (it didn't - it was more often than not the UK who wanted these rules), but we NEVER hear about all the red tape the EU removed and how much new red tape will be generated by leaving.

Strange. I don't know why.

The company I work for exports over 90% - exporting to the EU is a piece of piss compared to ROW and when we finally become free of the EU red tape shackles and all of our exports become ROW, believe me things will not be better.

Tell me you understand the difference @Java2019 ?

If you are hinting that GFA obliges EU to make a special case of NI I am not sure it works. EU may have been involved in the development of GFA, but they did not sign the documents.

General view seems to be that if UK leaves the EU without a deal then ROI will have to impose some form of border control in accordance with EU regulations?

Can anyone explain how the “red tape” will be less, and not more, than it is now for businesses if we leave without a deal?

Can anyone explain how the “red tape” will be less, and not more, than it is now for businesses if we leave without a deal

They can’t, not without admitting that what they actually mean by red tape are regulations and standards which mean most of our food is free of shit and our goods are not made of dangerous cheap crap.

“ are regulations and standards which mean most of our food is free of shit and our goods are not made of dangerous cheap crap.“
And which keep employees reasonably safe and secure.

Well it might be good for the EU27?

Less braindrain from poorer EU countries to the UK.
Extra money from UK people to the EU as everyone suddenly remembers their Irish/Italian grannys in order to get a EU passport (which can be very expensive in some places)
Other countries with wanting to leave the EU parties see the disaster and concentrate on domestic issues instead.

any update on what 'pulling together' looks like or 'taking our cuntry back' from australia, of course?

tomtom, do you understand that dropping out of trade deals with nothing to replace them will have a negative impact or does your weird disbelief in any kind of prediction at all mean you absolutely refuse to accept even that?

Not RTFT but to answer the original question, I could be persuaded that leaving the EU was a good thing if it got rid of the [expletive] cookie walls on websites. They. Are. Driving. Me. Mad. Let me into the website! I nearly threw my computer out of the window yesterday afternoon when I was trying to do some research and nearly every website had a cookie wall.

Of course, it won't because websites have to comply with EU law if they are going to be accessed by people in the EU. But anyway, I could be tempted to bang a few heads in the EU together about that.

@Java2019 - If you are hinting that GFA obliges EU to make a special case of NI I am not sure it works. EU may have been involved in the development of GFA, but they did not sign the documents.

The GFA doesn't oblige the EU to make a special case for NI. However, Ireland's continuing membership obliges (morally, at least) the EU to support a member state in its insistence that a non-member (as the UK will become) complies with an international treaty signed by both parties.

Scotland is part of the UK. The UK decided to leave. The EU cannot, and will not, interfere with that internal decision.