Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

[CleopatrasMum]

Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[bellinisurge]

By bumpiness I mean bad tempered aggro. Or are people too naice in your part of the world?

[Iggly]

you can impose high standards and restrictions on food safety without high tariffs

Yes that’s my point. Lower tariffs for more favourable arrangements. Higher tariffs for shit food with poor standards.

[Iggly]

Pleasing everyone is not possible in my view. However, if you know it can be achieved you are entitled to the World's highest award as you will have solved the World's problems overnight

And you misread my post. I said meeting the needs.

That’s not the same as pleasing everyone.

[Iggly]

I literally cannot understand why brexiteers ignore the reality of the situation

We are walking into a scenario where we still don’t have a coherent plan after 3 years of this nonsense.

And they still lap up the lies from the likes of Leave.EU, they haven’t stopped to think about why the vote was so marginal.

I’ve certainly been reading up on the Leave position and while I can sympathise with a lot of it, I cannot stand with a campaign funded by dark money.

That’s my concern.

I would much rather we were part of the EU and made a concerted effort to change how the EU functions.

The EU doesn’t make our laws. We do have control over immigration. The world we live in is driven by forces beyond the EU and leaving will not change that.

[Java2019]

Cheaper alternatives to what specifically

Food, clothing and footwear. The items that the poorest in the UK spend the most on if what JRM says is correct.

[Clavinova]

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As of yesterday, the Gov confirmed they expect 50% of trucks to get through in their usual time.

They are talking about the Dover crossing - prescription medicines, veterinary medicines and medical devices are being re-routed to 7 UK ports not expecting significant delays (spare capacity/less ro-ro traffic etc.)

[Iggly]

if what JRM says is correct

😂 he wouldn’t even know if it were correct.

We already import cheap clothing and food from non EU countries......

Businesses make the choice as to where they want to import from.

[IdaBWells]

Well one upside is that the value of Sterling is expected to be close to the US dollar if not at parity. This will mean as a Brit living in the US I can vist the UK more often. I'm sure many Americans will join me.

Oh upsides for people in Britain? No idea. The end of the Tory Party?

[Wiltshirelass2019]

IdaBWells the pound being lower is actually good for lots of people in Britain. I’ve made thousands of money on the stock market since Brexit due to a lower pound, and tourism will have a real boost if the pound is lower which in turn is good for the economy x

[Wiltshirelass2019]

Thousands of money 😂 I meant pounds!

[Iggly]

I’ve made thousands of money on the stock market since Brexit

That upside is out of the reach of most of the British population.

[Java2019]

they haven’t stopped to think about why the vote was so marginal

Might have been close in terms of %, but in terms of constituencies the result was 406 leave and 242 remain. Big difference.

If people want to change their minds it needs to be done by vote. Next GE is scheduled for 2022 latest. People can vote for the Pro-Remain parties if they wish. If elected then UK can apply to rejoin the EU.

The world we live in is driven by forces beyond the EU and leaving will not change that

Think the idea non EU countries are growing faster than EU so better to be able to deal direct rather going through the EU process of trade negotiation.

[Wiltshirelass2019]

Iggly not really, I earn £24,000 a year so I’m not rich but I invest wisely. And Brexit has been a massive boost for my stocks.

[Iggly]

How do you do it?

[Wiltshirelass2019]

Iggly I have money invested with a stocks and shares company. Everyone can do it

[ConferencePear]

The best thing will be that there will no more Brexit on the news or on this forum.

[Clavinova]

We already import cheap clothing and food from non EU countries.
Businesses make the choice as to where they want to import from.

I posted this example the other day;

"They’re harvesting olives in Tunisia right now.Gorgeous they are; rich greens and blacks, mostly organic.But the label on my bottle of Waitrose extra virgin olive oil says it’s a blend of EU origin.Brussels quotas are restricting consumer choice and requiring retailers to boast about the EU’s insulation from emerging markets in its near abroad."

"Too much of Tunisia’s quota of olive exports is as unfinished oil, leaving plenty of profit for European–mainly Italian–bottlers and marketing operations in a lucrative cartel."

www.cityam.com/thinking-smaller-why-tunisian-olives-hold-key-uks-post/

[Iggly]

Might have been close in terms of %, but in terms of constituencies the result was 406 leave and 242 remain. Big difference

Irrelevant because it was a referendum not a general election.

Think the idea non EU countries are growing faster than EU so better to be able to deal direct rather going through the EU process of trade negotiation

We’ll have more negotiations to do - looking at it purely from a practical point of view, we don’t have the skills to handle these negotiations. The process of leaving the EU has thrown that into stark relief.

[TheElementsSong]

The EU is an elitist club. It imposes high tariffs to non EU countries which I don’t think is fair, we should all be able to trade equally. If an African farmer wants to sell his beans to an EU country he’ll have a huge tariff to pay as opposed to a country selling within the EU. It’s really not great or fair for the developing world.

Well, you can rest easy @Wiltshirelass2019

Claim The EU imposes 50% tariffs on rice, maize and other cereals and 300% tariffs on processed sugar imported from African countries.
Conclusion Incorrect. The EU does charge tariffs on imports of all these goods, but most African countries aren’t subject to them

fullfact.org/europe/out-africa-facts-about-eu-tariffs-african-exports/

[Java2019]

Irrelevant because it was a referendum not a general election

MPs have ruled out another referendum so if voters want to change their minds they must wait till the next general election.

The process of leaving the EU has thrown that into stark relief

Because PM at the time was a remain supporter.

[Wiltshirelass2019]

TheElementsSong but some of them still are, correct?

[Wiltshirelass2019]

I also don’t get my facts off the internet....lots of misinformation there x

[Iggly]

@Clavinova

That article thinks the way forward is lots and lots of deals with lots of smaller countries.

Which is impractical.....

Also in an era of climate change, why would we want to go even further afield to import our goods?

Of course EU countries have an advantage - that’s the whole point. Let’s not pretend that leavers really give a shit about far flung countries being unable to sell to the UK because of the big bad EU.