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Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

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CleopatrasMum · 08/08/2019 21:11

Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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NosyBe2006 · 10/08/2019 08:11

have we got a nice list of upsides yet?

17.4 million get what they voted for which was to leave the EU

Helmetbymidnight · 10/08/2019 08:15

whats the upside of leaving the Eu?

is that such a difficult question?

InTheHeatofLisbon · 10/08/2019 08:16

have we got a nice list of upsides yet?

Only for Scottish and Irish nationalists.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 10/08/2019 08:18

is that such a difficult question?

Yes, because there isn't a wordy, self important, patronising answer where you can shout at people for denying your democratic right to fuck the UK up and mutter about Farage and buses.

It's a one word answer. What are the upsides of Brexit?

Nothing.

Helmetbymidnight · 10/08/2019 08:18

forgetting the economy, and um, peace, its looking like leaving the EU - especially with no deal - will be catastrophic for science and research. (at a time we need collaboration on the environment more than ever)

i bet you've got some brilliant upsides to leaving the eu which will counteract all that.

pls tell us.

BackInTime · 10/08/2019 08:22

The only upsides are for the Tory party and keeping Boris Johnson in power. It is all about appeasing the Brexiters, seeing off the threat of Nigel Farage.

They know it's a rubbish idea but it's party before county and the peasants will struggle while the rich get richer.

lovelookslikethis · 10/08/2019 08:22

No one is stupid enough to actually bother posting on MN anymore about brexit. You baiting for upsides will not change that.

NosyBe2006 · 10/08/2019 08:27

Upsides are:

Democracy is preserved in that UK leaves the EU which aligns with the majority vote to leave the EU.

Scotland leaving UK to become independent is more likely

NI merging with ROI to return to its original state is more likely

Get the impression that Scotland and NI have wanted to tell England to get lost for a long time. So Brexit would seem to facilitate that?

Helmetbymidnight · 10/08/2019 08:27

so there are loads of upsides you just dont want to say them on mumsnet?

fucking hell.

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bellinisurge · 10/08/2019 08:30

"Get the impression that Scotland and NI have wanted to tell England to get lost for a long time. So Brexit would seem to facilitate that?"
Unless that is a joke [please say it's a joke] that is the most ignorant bollocks I have read on here in at least 24 hours for a while.

BertrandRussell · 10/08/2019 08:33

I think what leavers often forget is that remainders are going to be living in the U.K. with their families after October the 31st too. And we don't want to live in the country we suspect it’s going to be. So I for one would be utterly delighted with a list of positive benefits. I would also be delighted with suggestions Of ways I can personally make things better. I’m always being told to pull together and support the U.K.- and I would really like to, but I don’t know how.

NosyBe2006 · 10/08/2019 08:34

so there are loads of upsides you just dont want to say them on mumsnet

Upsides are;

Democracy is preserved in that UK leaves the EU which aligns with the majority vote to leave the EU.

Scotland leaving UK to become independent is more likely

NI merging with ROI to return to its original state is more likely

Get the impression that Scotland and NI have wanted to tell England to get lost for a long time. So Brexit would seem to facilitate that?

Some in England might think that Scotland is a drain on the UK as a whole due to the Barnett formula. So maybe the English get what they want by seeing the back of Scotland.

Some in England might think that Ireland in general hate the English? So if it is no deal brexit and EU install a border between ROI and NI it is of greater detriment to Ireland than it is to England?

InTheHeatofLisbon · 10/08/2019 08:37

Some in England might think that Scotland is a drain on the UK as a whole due to the Barnett formula. So maybe the English get what they want by seeing the back of Scotland.

Give them a vote then! I don't give a fuck how we get independence, as long as we do!

Oh and it's Westminster, not England, that the nationalists want to get rid of.

But then, you're right out there with your wee stereotypes so you have at it.

BertrandRussell · 10/08/2019 08:39

So the benefit is basically the break up of the United Kingdom.

Anything else?

NosyBe2006 · 10/08/2019 08:40

Unless that is a joke [please say it's a joke] that is the most ignorant bollocks I have read on here in at least 24 hours for a while

Based on some comments on MN it appears to be the view of some posters. Quite a few are flag waving.

Scotland's 2014 referendum was a good indicator that leaving the UK was on the agenda. At the time the vote was to remain in the UK, but is that the case now?

Overall I think UK would be stronger by remaining together, but the leave vote has split the UK into two. Scotland and NI voted to remain whereas England and Wales voted leave.

BertrandRussell · 10/08/2019 08:40

And if we’re talking the maintainance of democracy, surely Scotland rejected independence?

Tengel · 10/08/2019 08:43

Democracy

lovelookslikethis · 10/08/2019 08:45

Bert, as much as I would like to offer you a list of huge upsides along with ways you can be more positive and support your own country. I won't, because it will be ripped apart as is always the case.

MN stopped being a friendly place for leave supporters a very long time ago. Some leavers have been banned for simply having the temerity to put forward their view.

You won't find a leaver prepared to post on here anymore full stop. This is now a forum for grieving remainers only.

So stop asking for leavers to join the debate, we were silenced a long time ago.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 10/08/2019 08:46

So the benefit is basically the break up of the United Kingdom.

No, but it's the only bit of hope Scotland has to cling to.

And if we’re talking the maintainance of democracy, surely Scotland rejected independence?

I expected better from you of all people Bertrand.

In all the posts on MN you've not seen the caveat within the original independence referendum legislation, or the proof of lies by Better Together? Really? I don't believe that for a second.

I voted remain, I campaigned for a long time to revoke article 50, would have taken stopping brexit over independence, and wanted the UK as a whole to be stopped from going off a cliff edge.

Problem is, the anti Scottish sentiment (contempt and dismissal) and attitudes across parliament, the media, social media and forums like this is rising by the second.

We have a way out, and I'm not going to apologise for wanting to take it.

Not my problem what any of the other countries in the UK do, that's up to them. But if Scotland suddenly matters, why now?

lovelookslikethis · 10/08/2019 08:46

bert as much as I would like to offer you a list of huge upsides along with ways you can be more positive and support your own country. I won't, because it will be ripped apart as is always the case.

MN stopped being a friendly place for leave supporters a very long time ago. Some leavers have been banned for simply having the temerity to put forward their view.

You won't find a leaver prepared to post on here anymore full stop. This is now a forum for grieving remainers only.

So stop asking for leavers to join the debate, we were silenced a long time ago.

BertrandRussell · 10/08/2019 08:52

“We have a way out, and I'm not going to apologise for wanting to take it”

I don’t think you should apologise.Feel free. I thought the poster concerned was putting the break up of the U.K. forward as a benefit for the the U.K. as a whole- including England, rather than as a potential benefit for Scotland. I can see why it might be that.

BertrandRussell · 10/08/2019 08:53

“bert as much as I would like to offer you a list of huge upsides along with ways you can be more positive and support your own country. I won't, because it will be ripped apart as is always the case.”

I have never seen such a list or any suggestions- still less ripped them apart.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 10/08/2019 08:55

I wish there was a benefit for England and Wales. I don't want to see England and Wales suffer because of the hubris and arrogance of the Tories, Farage, the Leave campaign and voters.

It's not fair that a proven corrupt campaign can stand, that those who connived and lied are now in power, and that ordinary English and Welsh people will suffer for it.

BertrandRussell · 10/08/2019 09:00

“Some leavers have been banned for simply having the temerity to put forward their view”
Are you sure? That sounds a bit odd. What happened?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 10/08/2019 09:07

If TM had taken ‘No Deal’ off the table and the EU believed she had and refused to negotiate because of it, why did they pump billions into preparing for it?