Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

[CleopatrasMum]

Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

"Some leavers have been banned for simply having the temerity to put forward their view. "

Example?

The two year period was wasted because T May eventually took no deal
No - it was wasted because TM set red lines and negotiated without consulting parliament - who are sovereign.

Submitting article 50 was entering negotiation, walking away is revoking. No deal is chopping off a leg and crawling away humbled.

IntheheatofLisbon, it’s totally disingenuous to claim that the SNP want rid of Westminster, rather than England.
They merely use the term “Westminster” as a euphemism and fig leaf for their separatist anti English racism.
You only have to look at their supporters, with the “English out” banners, or, like one of my colleagues, have a supporter spit in his face in the street, shouting “Bloody English” at him, completely unprovoked.
The party is cynically stirring historical racist hatred to generate votes. They’re pushing Gaelic, a minority language of only 1% of Scots, wasting millions on Gaelic road signs and rebranding police vehicles with Gaelic logos to pretend Scotland is different to England. They also claim to speak for the whole of Scotland - saying that Scotland voted to remain in the EU, ignoring the fact that a third of actual SNP supporters voted for Brexit, along with many of Scotland’s quarter of a million Tories.
Nationalism is a poison in any country.
The SNP are cut from the same cloth as the Nazis. Whom the SNP founders supported, hoping they would invade England and then do a deal with them for independence. Stupid beyond belief.
And now wanting to leave the successful U.K. union, having seen the chaos of leaving the EU - madness. England is our biggest trading partner- it dwarfs our EU trade. It’s ridiculous to want a hard border at Berwick and customs tariffs.
And good luck trying to float a new currency with no central bank or cash reserves. A lot of us English will be moving out if Scotland becomes independent. And we’re taking all the major banks with us - Scotland is too small to underwrite even RBS alone, as their CEO has made clear.

The upsides will be a United Ireland and Scottish independence, which be a trickier deal.

A United Ireland is possibly the best outcome of a no deal. A referendum on this will be carefully worded with most of those voting being careful and mindful of The Good Friday Agreement.

Last night I reported a fault on my BT phone line and I was put through to:

Dublin.

The SNP are cut from the same cloth as the Nazis.

That's an abhorrent statement and you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Babdoc.

@lovelookslikethis

Well, you just posted 4 sentences on how leavers have been ripped apart for posting the "upsides" of Brexit... no-one not a single leaver in the last 2 or 3 years has ever posted a positive of Brexit.

As a remainer, the only possible adv i could see, is that companies may have to train their own workforce, instead of relying on EU skilled workers......however, the consensus from business and govt is that they will import semi/skilled workers from the EU and beyond, so we don't even get that.

Even the much vaunted recent wage rises appear to be because of min wage increases and those at the very top creaming it, low and middle income workers have seen a drop in salary since 2008, Certainly my experience :(

NosyBe2006, at the risk of derailing the thread, it seems obvious that you are the same poster as PortLouis1996, and I'm curious about what prompted the island name-changing after I idly inquired about the Indian Ocean connection...

Scotland will be more successful under the EU, eventually; that would take some time. There might be a few years of pain involved, but it will all work out in the end. It's a neat landline border as well. The tricky bit for Scotland is it's thousands of inlets, similar to Cornwall and Devon.

I presume Slarty Bardfast designed Scotland?

@BertrandRussell 😂😂😂😂

@Babdoc , I don't like nationalism much either but likening the SNP to the nazis is foul.

The SNP are cut from the same cloth as the Nazis

Nice try, you'll not get a rise out of me that way.

Interesting you don't mention NSs letter to EU migrants, asking that they come to Scotland because we recognise the need to have a diverse and welcoming country.

Interesting you don't mention the Indy marches with banners from English Scots for Yes (a large and very well known pro Indy pressure group made up of English people who live here).

That you don't mention the anti Scottish bullshit and sectarian unionists of the west of Scotland.

There are ignorant xenophobes among Indy supporters. I don't engage with them beyond telling them their views are abhorrent and in no way representative of Scottish nationalism. They are in no way the majority, to state that they are is just a flat out lie I'm afraid.

I've spoken about the abuse I and my family have had from unionists. Does that mean I think every unionist is like them? No, I'm not that ignorant.
I got abused while living in Reading for being Scottish, more than a few times. Does that mean I can say all English people think that way? No, because it's not true.
You live up to a pretty basic stereotype, and are determined to label an entire nation based on the shitty behaviour of a few. It's ok, we're used to it.

You clearly have a chip on your shoulder, but your utterly one sided (and in parts completely fictional) rant shows you up to be pretty irrational about it.

That's fine. No skin off my nose.

It's hard work being bitter and angry. I don't have the energy for it.

Scotland IS different to England. Hell England is different all over the various regions. To imply every region within each country of the UK is the same is simplistic at best, pig ignorant at worst. Let alone implying the 4 nations are one and the same. For a start voting in recent years (or in fact the last 80) will show that we are not the same.

Your sad little rant has only served to show you up as ignorant of facts, policies and indeed reality while reducing Scotland to sound bites.

If that makes you happy, have at it. Because not a bit of it is actually representative of Scotland, of the Indy movement, or indeed reality.

Democracy is preserved in that UK leaves the EU which aligns with the majority vote to leave the EU.

The 2017 Conservative manifesto promised:
"The best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit."

The 2017 labour manifesto promised:
"We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and, if needs be, negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a ‘cliff-edge’ for the UK economy."

So how does 'no deal' preserve democracy?

Give them a vote then! I don't give a fuck how we get independence, as long as we do

Better to wait until Brexit happens as then you know what you are voting against. Until Brexit happens there is always the possibility it does not happen, but slim odds I think.

Better to wait until Brexit happens as then you know what you are voting against.

Why? The majority have already proven they're happy to vote for the unknown! I've been told often enough Scotland is a drain in England and they want rid. Why not let them vote?

@lattelove - apparently we could have had blue passports anytime we liked while being in the EU.

The new blue passports are going to be printed in France, we may not be bale to import them under WTO rules.

Lately (as in, this week particularly) there's plenty of new posters with a year at the end of their username who have unique and hitherto-unheard-of new insights into Brexit, Europe and the World. Of course, they're all genuinely brand new unique individuals and not namechanging sock puppets. Because we have it on good authority that only Remainers do that - although if you ask for evidence of sockpuppeting name changing Remainers, that's "sealioning."

As for Leavers being ^^ "silenced" and "banned" I think it's because those particular posters are either sockpuppeting namechangers (who don't exist if they're Leavers) and/or are the downtrodden victims of political correctness who are apparently "not allowed" to spout nastiness about immigrants or to espouse blood-and-soil nativism.

What's sealioning? That's a new one on me!

I do agree with your post though, it's spot on.

@Java2019 - EU regulations require border control between EU and non EU countries. How would a border installed by EU between ROI and NI represent a breach by NI/UK ?

This is the type of arrogant fuckwittery we are dealing with by the UK.

The UK introduced a series of red lines that means there are 2 alternative brexits that comply with the GFA: a backstop that only includes NI or a backstop that includes the whole of the UK. Anything else contravenes the GFA. They know that but don't care and are trying to place blame everywhere except where it belongs.

There have been various ill-informed warblings from the UK government about a technological solution. If, as has been claimed, one existed, then the backstop would never need to be invoked and so would be a non-issue. They really can't make up their mind.

So how does 'no deal' preserve democracy?

Vote was to leave. No statement of how leave would happen.

Leave with a deal would have been preferable to no deal, but the EU proposed WA was rejected as UK could have been forced to remain in Customs Union and Single Market forever even though payment of £39 billion had been made to leave the EU.

Sigh. The payment wasn't to leave. It was what we owed. An NI only backstop wasn't tried in Parliament. Only the "let's pretend NI is exactly the same as the mainland " WA.

EU regulations require border control between EU and non EU countries. How would a border installed by EU between ROI and NI represent a breach by NI/UK ?

Is that a serious question?

Because if the UK had never had this ridiculous referendum, the GFA wouldn't be at risk.

It's very telling that people who call themselves Democrats have sought to stop the largest ever vote for the last 3 years.

As well as all the other nonsense in your post - the above is not true. It keeps being totted out but it's factually incorrect.

Because if the UK had never had this ridiculous referendum, the GFA wouldn't be at risk

GFA would not have happened if evolution had not taken place. However, both the referendum and evolution have taken place and they have to be dealt with.

Whilst I agree that a border between ROI and NI is detrimental to the Island of Ireland I could never agree that 17.4 million can be told their vote has to ignored because of EU regulations. The vote to leave was to be free of EU not to remain under EU control.

@NosyBe2006 - but the EU proposed WA

More fake news. It was the UK who proposed the backstop element of the WA. The WA was an agreed exit strategy between the UK and the EU.