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“Project Fear” ... I’m dumbfound at the ignorance.

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Septemberissue · 07/08/2019 22:58

I am continually astounded by this government and the Brexiteers who are continually rubbishing claims and predictions by Industry leaders, experts, scientists, doctors and economists and claiming that it is part of the huge conspiracy; “project fear” should it not fit with their prosperous Eden that is post brexit Britain.

For example, Mark Carney said that the economy almost certainly would suffer as a result of no deal. But no no, he knows nothing. It’s project fear.

Dusty old Thatcherite tories (“Lord” Lamont) for example, on Newsnight last night said that Food supplies & medication would not be interrupted, despite industry leaders and experts saying it will. The Governments very own dry run of bringing the isotopes required for medical purposes such as xrays, scans, radio therapy etc. actually demonstrated that there would be delays, but again, these people are spouting lies & it’s just “project fear”. But of course, Lamont - who is arguably theee worst chancellor in British history - the man responsible for a run on the pound, is better placed to comment on this than the experts.

Another dusty old man of Tory grandeur Peter Lilley on PM tonight again dismissing claims by experts. It’s astounding.

Anyone who dares to call Brexit for what it is and gives their otherwise trusted opinion is a “remoaner” and their findings are just part of the so called project fear.

It seems that this faction want to blame anyone but themselves for this mess. It’s project fear. It’s the EU’s fault. They won’t negotiate. Our hands are clean. Hmm ... what extraordinary times we live in.

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MigorRortis2 · 08/08/2019 19:32

@sonetlumiere
If it is going to have such a trifling impact then why does it need so much preparation?
If No Deal was always the plan, then why would it be the EU’s “fault” if it happened?
If having no trade deal with the EU is an improvement on membership, then why would having a trade deal be an improvement with other trade partners? Are trade deals good or bad?

Where have I said it’s the EUs fault? You’re rambling. Raid your stockpile & have a Fray Bentos pie or something.

jasjas1973 · 08/08/2019 19:39

Jeez! they've wheeled out another NC 'ed RigorMortis.....

Outsomnia · 08/08/2019 19:50

Many of those who voted leave especially the ERG and now Boris et al, sorry Dominic Cummings (our unelected PM... oh the irony of criticising unelected in EU) actually have a brain and know that leaving with No Deal/no WA/no Backstop is utter madness.

But the Sunk Cost Fallacy is behind all this. So much put into leaving now, it cannot be undone, lest they be seen as wavering or wrong.

The referendum was indicative, not binding, but like a runaway train, the No vote supporters raced down the tracks, and it is too humiliating now to accept there is anything at all wrong with the ideology of Hard Brexit anymore.

So as predicted by many, the fault will be placed at the doors of others from now on. "The undemocratic backstop" is the new mantra, yet it was a construct of the UK in the first place.

I'm sorry, I will not call anyone any names or anything, but really brainwashing has to be in there somewhere!

Brexissmexit · 08/08/2019 20:06

Well the government seems to be spending and additional 2.1M on preparations, so they see it as something to get worked up about'
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Billion!!!! 2.4 Billion!*

SonEtLumiere · 08/08/2019 20:16

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LatteLove · 08/08/2019 20:32

And I am disturbed by the amount of Blut und Boden nativism shown by some people on this thread. The lessons of only 70-odd years are being forgotten.

This Sad

YeOldeTrout · 08/08/2019 21:54

Anyone else now following this gal on Twitter?

Oh my how we laughed to find out where the money was coming from (well, some of it).

“Project Fear” ... I’m dumbfound at the ignorance.
Outsomnia · 08/08/2019 22:08

I repeat. Sunk Cost Fallacy now. Sorry for that, but there we are.

ssd · 08/08/2019 22:28

@MigorRortis2, because I listen to people who know what they are talking about?
Will I add a wee flag to show how patriotic I am? There you go. 🇬🇧. Yay, I must really love the UK now!!

Frankiestein402 · 08/08/2019 22:30

The vote must be honoured
As must the 2017 votes for a manifesto promising 'an orderly exit'

GrouchoMrx · 08/08/2019 22:58

Silly Jacob Rees Mogg also got in a tizzy about a hard Brexit.

Imagine!

His company has warned prospective clients about the financial dangers of a hard Brexit and has set up an investment fund based in Ireland.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/14/brexit-warning-investment-firm-somerset-capital-management-jacob-rees-mogg

Obviously, his wealthy clients cannot be expected to take a hit - unlike the rest of us - and should be spared any bad consequences of a hard Brexit.

PortLouis1996 · 09/08/2019 05:10

We are walking away from our biggest export market (40 to 50% depending how its measured) plus giving a free hand to european capitals to take much of our FS industry

UK imports more from the EU than the EU buys from the UK. Trading with the EU is a loss making exercise.

Motherof3Dragons · 09/08/2019 06:11

@PortLouis1996. So what exactly will the UK do with its 43% - 55% (depends on the year) of exports to the EU27 in a ND Brexit scenario? Any suggestions?

SonEtLumiere · 09/08/2019 06:33

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PortLouis1996 · 09/08/2019 06:59

So what exactly will the UK do with its 43% - 55% (depends on the year) of exports to the EU27 in a ND Brexit scenario? Any suggestions

A no deal with EU does not prevent UK from trading with the EU ever again. All EU members are also WTO members. So trade can continue under WTO rules.

PortLouis1996 · 09/08/2019 07:01

Is it that buying more goods from a country than selling is bad and to be avoided or something different

If you consistently spend more than you earn you either keep borrowing until lenders call it a day or go bankrupt.

SonEtLumiere · 09/08/2019 07:06

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Java2019 · 09/08/2019 07:11

You know that trading undef WTO rules will just make those same things more expensive to UK consumers

Higher import prices are forecast until new deals are made. Upside of a weaker pound is exports from UK become cheaper.

bellinisurge · 09/08/2019 07:27

"So trade can continue under WTO rules." Are you taking the piss now?
😂😂😂

Motherof3Dragons · 09/08/2019 07:32

@PortLouis1996 So you think importing from and exporting into the EU under WTO standards is more beneficial to the UK? In what way exactly is this preferable?

SonEtLumiere · 09/08/2019 07:33

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Motherof3Dragons · 09/08/2019 07:38

Of course, nothing makes EU customers more inclined to continue ordering goods from the UK than having to pay an Import Tax. They might as well order from the US or China!

Java2019 · 09/08/2019 08:17

Most of World Trade is under WTO apparently.

Java2019 · 09/08/2019 08:20

Of course, nothing makes EU customers more inclined to continue ordering goods from the UK than having to pay an Import Tax

A weaker pound would help to offset Import Taxes.

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