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Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2019 12:31

Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

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woman19 · 04/08/2019 20:55

It's our fault

We are "too senstive" woman

Grin
Hoooo · 04/08/2019 21:10

We are hysterical shrews dontcha know, jason!?

What know we of the struggle, comrade?

Ffs.

Try growing up poor in a mining town in the 80s...

Hoooo · 04/08/2019 21:13

...our decades of support, experience, grassroots volunteering...means fuck all to the people pulling Corbyn's strings and he looks more like a marionette as each week passes

NoWordForFluffy · 04/08/2019 21:17

With this blind devotion, it feels like there's a Cult of Corbyn, much the same as the Brexit Cult (in that believers can see no fault, even where fault is very bloody clear to others).

Hoooo · 04/08/2019 21:19

Yep...

What happened to reasoned debate, or...you know...facts?

But stating our facts make us "too sensitive" apparently.

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2019 21:23

He had a majority of 34,000, he must represent their interests quite well

How did that work out at the local elections in May?

Remind me.

What Islington Party Members were saying that night?

Or what the right honourable member for Islington South was saying a couple of weeks later, despite being one of Corbyn's close allies...

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Hoooo · 04/08/2019 21:23

"Politically shallow"?
"Too senstive"?

Not too far from "remainer vermin", is it?

Meh.

It makes me smile tbh.

Like being called "eliteist" by public schooled, oxbridge millionaires...

They can all kiss my wc, gc feminist arsehole.

(Which is also wrinkly)

✊

DGRossetti · 04/08/2019 21:27

We haven't yet seen the race purity laws that have been drafted and discussed.

Could you please provide a link to this, DGR? It’s news to me.

If only Leavers had such critical faculties ...

I was picking up on the discussion which started about the ISIS bride, when people started talking about how many generations back peoples citizenship went. But with some of the Priti Patel rhetoric of late, it probably won't be long before it's back on the table I'm sure. Like Javid, she'd happily deport her own parents to keep in with the in crowd.

RedToothBrush · 04/08/2019 21:33

Islington with a 34,000 majority should have been a walk in the park for Labour at the EU elections.

They came second to the Lib Dems.

If Corbyn was representing well could that possibly have happened?

There's some pretty pissed off 2017 Labour votes in Islington whichever way you cut it.

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RedToothBrush · 04/08/2019 21:36

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
Large turnover of special advisers coming. More than 50% of SpAds who served under May not expected to be retained as Cummings seeks more govt aides who support Brexit. Some SpAds have already been vetoed for not being Brexity enough. In entire May govt only ~10 SpAds voted Leave

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tobee · 04/08/2019 21:40

It's pretty disturbing that the unelected Cummings can do this.

QueenOfThorns · 04/08/2019 21:46

If only Leavers had such critical faculties ...

Sorry DGR, I’m a scientist. It’s all about evidence and checking the primary source Grin

So there aren’t actually any draft race purity laws?

prettybird · 04/08/2019 21:46

How many was it that signed the "Revoke A50" petition in Islington North? Significantly more than 25,000, wasn't it?

Ok, that's not 34,000 - but that's an awful lot of disgruntled residents in the constituency Hmm

And we in Scotland know that even really large majorities can be overturned if the electorate is pissed off enough Grin - even if previously they had been happy to vote for monkeys in red rosettes Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 21:52

Brexit is the flagship policy of the Tories since 2015
It'll be all they can really boast of having achieved at the next GE

Strange that the Labour left think it OK to collaborate with the Tories on their flagship policy and just let it happen

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 21:53

Peter Foster@pmdfoster

There is NO support in Northern Ireland for a ‘no deal’^ #Brexitt.

Joint statement from NI civil society groups calling for it to be ruled out.

Includes Ulster farmers -
@duponline increasingly isolated.

Look at full list...

https://www.nicva.org/article/northern-ireland-civic-society-calls-for-a-no-deal-brexit-to-be-prevented

Northern Ireland’s leading civic society organisations have today issued a joint statement calling for the imminent potential disaster of a no deal Brexit to be prevented.

Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough
howabout · 04/08/2019 21:55

tobee replacing SpAds when a new PM takes over is normal. TM moved in Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy and team when she took over from DC. Then when she lost her majority in 2017 part of her deal with the 1922 was that she jettison them and bring in a new team which Gavin Barwell headed.

To put the 10 Leave voters in May's govt in context. That was from a total of around 70.

woman19 · 04/08/2019 21:58

replacing SpAds when a new PM takes over is normal
It is not normal to require civil servants to be 'believers'.

woman19 · 04/08/2019 22:04

it's pretty disturbing that the unelected Cummings can do this

Yup.

To put the 10 Leave voters in May's govt in context. That was from a total of around 70

Certain types of regime do insist on their civil servants voting 'correctly'

Amnesty International usually are kept busy with the related activities of those sorts of regimes.

Peregrina · 04/08/2019 22:07

It's pretty disturbing that the unelected Cummings can do this.

Especially when Leavers go on and on and on about the unelected EU.

jasjas1973 · 04/08/2019 22:11

Strange that the Labour left think it OK to collaborate with the Tories on their flagship policy and just let it happen

I don't know how UK politics gets reported in Germany but i have seen no evidence that Labour have collaborated with the Cons on Brexit, some Lab MP in marginal Leave seats support no deal but few have voted with the Cons.
Labour cannot bring down the Govt or stop brexit, unless tories support this!
Any motion with Corbyns name on it, immediately means many tory MPs wont support it, another reason he needs to go.

I would add that labour have offered shocking leadership for remainers and or a PV but thats a different subject.

tobee · 04/08/2019 22:23

I know it's normal howaboutSmile. But I don't think it's good!

And how long has it been normal for?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 22:27

Blocking ways to stop Brexit proposed by other parties
Letting it all happen, while Corbyn plays on his allotment

When No Deal is what happens when time runs out, then letting time run out is collaboration

Labour's performance has been regarded with contempt by the SDP supporters I know here
We've got the hard right here, although they have maybe passed their peak now

No one on the left, centre or centre right thought that hiding in their allotments was a good idea - the AfD have been challenged head on by the main parties
Hence the disappointment at Labour's lack of leadership

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 22:30

Maybe because mainstream parties here know their history and know that pandering to populism,
agreeing with their claimed victimhood,
does not work

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 22:32

Also complete disgust that any European leader claiming to be of the left would minimise anti-semitism, instead of tackling it head-on
That went down really badly, for obvious reasons

howabout · 04/08/2019 22:39

40% of Londoners voted Leave. The Brexit Party plus the Conservatives only polled 26% in the EU election (2014 Con + UKIP 40% - also similarly high in 2009 and 2005). That looks very much like Labour doing their part in the "Remain Alliance".

The LibDems and Change UK appealed to right of centre Remain at 32%. The Greens held their core and a bit more at 12% (2014 9%). Labour picked up the rest but also some of the Leave vote to poll 24% (2014 27%).

In other words the LibDem surge in London came from Conservative, not Labour voters. Pity Change UK didn't stand aside and gifted Brexit Party a seat from Labour.

The campaign, including Claude Maures and Seb Dance etc was run to appeal to London as a whole, not Islington specifically.

The Party Leader and in fact the whole front bench should be looking at the whole country not just their own seat. [eye roll for feeling like I am surely preaching to the choir]

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