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Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2019 12:31

Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

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woman19 · 04/08/2019 18:09

Corbyn's trots and fellow travellers at it again.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/trigger-ballots-prove-an-unwelcome-distraction-for-under-fire-labour-mps

Momentum’s national coordinator, Laura Parker, has argued the only chance Labour will have to defeat the Conservatives is with “a new generation of young, BAME, working-class leaders who will take on the political establishment and provide a genuine alternative

However, the group’s mass campaign on the issue has also sparked some member mix-ups. “Some members are demanding them in seats where they don’t even have Labour MPs and have to be reminded that first they need to help elect a Labour MP and then they can worry about deselecting them,” one party source said

Not the sharpest tools in the drawer are they.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 04/08/2019 18:27

(You might guess I’m trying to convince myself) No, woman, not sharpest tools

wheresmymojo · 04/08/2019 18:37

Some are saying the £1.8bn promised to the NHS will be used to get the next budget through, because who is going to want to the be the party that votes that down?

Makes you wonder what else is going in there that it needs a £1.8bn bung...

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 18:42

Corbyn's trots

Stopped reading at that point, so blah blah Corbyn is shit lmao

woman19 · 04/08/2019 18:47

blah blah Corbyn is shit lmao
Not winning many seats is he?

Hoooo · 04/08/2019 18:59

Voted labour since 1992.

Will never vote labour again.

But, hey, doesn't matter. Momentum don't give a shit about middle aged women.

Shame that the woke student vote won't win the fuckers a GE, eh?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/08/2019 19:16

“Trots”, “woke” the centrists reduced to right wing insults. Liberals and and small c conservatives, what difference?

QueenOfThorns · 04/08/2019 19:40

We haven't yet seen the race purity laws that have been drafted and discussed.

Could you please provide a link to this, DGR? It’s news to me.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 19:48

Momentum don't give a shit about middle aged women.

Im not sure what you think momentum is

Hoooo · 04/08/2019 19:54

I think I do.

Misogynistic, anti semitic, disaster socialists.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 19:54

Not winning many seats is he?

Which ones specifically?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 19:56

Ah I see were going with the right wing trope argument, yeah ill pass thanks Wink

woman19 · 04/08/2019 20:13

I hope to vote Labour again very soon.

But deselecting successful Labour MPs who are not 'true believers' and standing inexperienced comrades in unwinnable seats is not going to get us a Labour government.

Fair enough though, it's probably inaccurate to call the Socialist Workers' Party contingent of Corbyn's inner circle, 'Trots'.

Trotsky himeself, probably wouldn't have been allowed in the Labour party now, because of his Centrist Blairite Menshevik Internationalist tendencies. Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 20:17

But deselecting successful Labour MPs who are not 'true believers' and standing inexperienced comrades in unwinnable seats is not going to get us a Labour government.

There's no mechanism in the Labour party to be able to deselect a sitting MP its just not possible, Kate Hoey was given a vote of no confidence in July 2018 she is still the sitting MP, HTH

prettybird · 04/08/2019 20:18

My friend, who voted No in the Indyref because of Project Fear about being "kicked out" the EU, was a Labour Party member even 6 months after the EU Referendum.

She let her membership lapse: a combination of Labour's ineffectual stance on Europe, her dislike of the actions at Momentum at Labour events and because she'd promised me that she would campaign for Scottish Independence if the UK was going to drag Scotland out of the EU against her will.

I'm not sure she's gone as far as joining the SNP, but she is active in that "All Under One Banner" campaign and she says she'll never vote Labour again - at least, not while it's a branch office of the UK party Sad So for the moment that means voting SNP at GEs and SNP or Green at Holyrood or Council elections. She says her dh is the same - but I've never really talked politics with him.

Justaboutdone · 04/08/2019 20:31

Justanother Ghost do you think Labour could win an election with Corbyn as leader?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 20:32

Win an overall majority? No
Get into government? Possibly

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 20:35

Other PP's have previously mentioned that were probably past the ability for governments to form majorities I happen to agree with them on that

woman19 · 04/08/2019 20:39

There's no mechanism in the Labour party to be able to deselect a sitting MP its just not possible, Kate Hoey was given a vote of no confidence in July 2018 she is still the sitting MP

Au contraire.

Labour MPs have been notified over the past few weeks that votes on whether they must face potential deselection will take place in the next few months – starting with shadow cabinet ministers and frontbenchers from September

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/trigger-ballots-prove-an-unwelcome-distraction-for-under-fire-labour-mps

Btw, telling a long standing labour party volounteer and voter like me to 'hth' doesn't help much.

As Labour's dismal showing in the polls and recent by elections proves.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 20:41

Were ahead in the polls currently, wont last long though

So if a CLP doesnt think their MP represents their values in the HOP you feel that MP should be able to carry on until retirement or loss?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 20:45

Btw, telling a long standing labour party volounteer and voter like me to 'hth' doesn't help much.

And if you're so politically shallow that a 3 letter acronym persuades you to vote for another party or hurts your feeling perhaps you're too sensitive for the internet

Hoooo · 04/08/2019 20:49

And there it is...

It's our fault.

We are "too senstive" woman

woman19 · 04/08/2019 20:52

So if a CLP doesnt think their MP represents their values in the HOP you feel that MP should be able to carry on until retirement or loss

Like the member for Islington North.

He and his inner circle are the problem, not the many courageous and popular Labour MPs about to be hounded out of their seats by the usual suspects.

Even without the brexit, he's just not very good at being leader of our party.

Unlike his opposite numbers in most of the other parties.

His failings and those of his cultistry are a gift to the extreme right.

Jason118 · 04/08/2019 20:52

I wouldn't call people making political decisions based on their own experiences 'shallow'. I think the word you're looking for is 'informed'.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 20:54

Like the member for Islington North.

He had a majority of 34,000, he must represent their interests quite well

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