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Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2019 12:31

Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

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wheresmymojo · 04/08/2019 14:15

Is he equally to blame? No...

But he has made a significant contribution because he, personally, wanted to Leave and so did a shoddy job of campaigning for Remain.

Unforgivable IMO. Either he should have put aside his personal opinion for the good of the party or he should have stepped down and campaigned for Leave.

I won't ever vote Labour while Corbyn is leader.
There may still be a majority in the membership for Corbyn but any Labour policies or manifestos are absolutely pointless if you can't get into power.

It will just become a left wing talking shop discussing socialist policy with each other. Completely pointless.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 14:17

poster He doesn't have to step down as party leader,
just let someone else be PM instead of insisting that MPs from the other parties support him.

He would still campaign and stand for PM in any resulting GE

Otherwise, it will be clear that Labour and Corbyn - put party and ego before country & people.

MPs aren't alone in despising Corbyn - polls have consistently shown that all 3 Tory leaders, godawful as they are, were preferred as PM to him
That's independent of the party ratings

It would be different if it were just MPs who despise him

Corbyn is the greatest gift to the Tories and their best hope to survive and rule for several more years,
to reshape the FUK to their ideological dream

wheresmymojo · 04/08/2019 14:17

In fact you may as well discuss policies at conference, draw up a manifesto, pat yourselves on the back for all the great ideas and then stick them in the shredder.

howabout · 04/08/2019 14:17

Labour have never recovered in Scotland from helping Cameron win Indyref1 in 2014 - even among Unionists. This is why they could not campaign on the same platform as Cameron in 2016.

Woman I also call BS. If what you say were true then why did 58% of Affiliated Supporters vote Corbyn in 2015?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 14:19

If there is No Deal, I'll want revenge on at least one party

SInce it's only Labour who went against over 70% of their 2017 voters & members
and since they don't have a far right replacement party waiting int he wings

.... that means I'll be all out to destroy Labour

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 14:21

As we have repeatedly said, NS was perfectly able to campaign full on for Remain,
without going near the odious Cameron

If Corbyn was too dim to do what NS managed easily, that's not an acceptable excuse for a party leader

However, we know it's because he's a lifelong Lexiter
and would rather drag party and country down the toilet than give up on his ideology

howabout · 04/08/2019 14:22

BCF I already am doubtful about voting for Corbyn because he has bent over backwards to appease the TW contingent. If he were to stand aside to let someone else halt Brexit that would be the final straw. If that "someone else" were not the Labour Party then what reason would anyone have for voting Labour with Corbyn in charge at a GE? As a voter I would think vote Corbyn Labour Manifesto get Right Wing stitch up from faux Labour MPs prepared to get elected under one Leader while serving another.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/08/2019 14:22

There hasn't been a major shift from leave to remain. No guarantee remain would win another referendum. There is now ample evidence in the msm about the bad consequences of Brexit. Why haven't the Lib Dems or the remain campaign won over significant numbers to ensure a remain landslide?

If the Tories were to be relected after a decade of austerity, brexit, magic money trees and a tanking £ it would'nt say much abouth the electorate would it? Its easier to blame Corbyn than to analyse why hearts and minds have not been won over by the remain campaign.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/08/2019 14:24

It was slightly easier for NS given that Scotland is prodominately remain anyway. Its England that is split.

howabout · 04/08/2019 14:24

that means I'll be all out to destroy Labour

What is the cunning plan to destroy Labour while not enabling a century of Tory rule?

woman19 · 04/08/2019 14:25

You lexists are funny. And so useful to some. Sad what you are doing to the country though.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 14:26

Trump fan club - will BJ chime in next with "picaninnies" ?

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/03/donald-trumps-go-back-comments-were-genius-says-nigel-farage

Nigel Faragee^ has described Donald Trump’s “go back” comments aimed at four congresswomen of colour as “genius”.

The US president’s racist remarks were widely condemned after he told the four Democrats known as the Squad to return to the “broken and crime infested places from which they came”.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 14:28

howabout I don't give a fuck about that, because Labour & Corbyn obviously don't either
and they are sworn to serve consituents and the country

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/08/2019 14:41

I’m not a lexiter, I’m just not willing to support the Lib Dem’s to stop Brexit and potentially have more austerity. It was a backlash against austerity that was partially to blame for Brexit in the first place.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 14:44

You lexists are funny. And so useful to some. Sad what you are doing to the country though.

I'm not a lexiter, but you're right there was no way a decade of Tory rule and austerity has caused this definitely Labours fault Hmm

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 14:46

Labour & Corbyn obviously don't either and they are sworn to serve consituents and the country

And that means both Remain and Leave voters, thats why his focus has been mainly domestic policy and the causes of Brexit not Brexit itself and yes that could be because he wants to leave but he's trying to work towards bringing both sides together in something other than hate for him lol

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 15:21

How does supporting the Lib Dem’s to stop Brexit, bring in austerity ? Hmm

The - very unlikely - proposal for an interim govt after a VoNC would not do anything except deal with Brexit, probably by asking for an extension for a PV

It would of course have only the current LDem MPs supporting it, so the LDems would play a very minor role

Anyway, austerity was driven by the Tories - amazing how they manage to push the blame for their various policies onto the LDems

Shame that Corbyn has wiggled so much to avoid a PV that Tory MPs considering political suicide don't trust him to renege and make it all for nothing

In contrast, a No Deal Brexit makes it very likely that the poor will get poorer

Sterling crashing and food prices rising within 6 months will be the equivalent of an income cut for the poorest, those whose budget has no luxuries left to cut

And of course, any local shortages will be much tougher for those who don't have transport to obtain goods from say 40 miles away

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 15:25

With most MPs in our (fantasy) govt of former Opposition parties belonging to Labour,
it would be advisable to let another party provide the PM, even if we didn't have the Corbyn problem.

Otherwise, we are just asking the other parties to install a Labour govt without a GE

Noone is seriously suggesting that this new PM should be Swinson, who I wouldn't trust to competently run a bath, let alone a country

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 15:27

I think that goes above the competency of our current MP's BCF, it would depend who but I could get behind that

DarkAtEndOfTunnel · 04/08/2019 15:31

With most MPs in our (fantasy) govt of former Opposition parties belonging to Labour,it would be advisable to let another party provide the PM, even if we didn't have the Corbyn problem.

Caroline Lucas for PM.

Anyone want to get hold of someone in Parliament and tell them we've solved all their problems??

howabout · 04/08/2019 15:47

Dark if the Greens are holding the ring then surely they could rotate the Leadership round the group. They have joint Party Leadership and Caroline Lucas isn't one of the Leaders. In fact they could be properly radical and just co-opt Patrick Harvey or in cross-party spirit Nippy to be PM. You don't have to be an MP to be in Government. I think it is just convention that the PM is?

In fact Alec Douglas Home was in the House of Lords when he became PM. No-one suggest Lord Adonis please. Shock

Hazardtired · 04/08/2019 15:56

I always forget that the Greens exist. They should really get out there more because I can't be the only one who forgets.

prettybird · 04/08/2019 15:59

I think you do need to be either in the HoC or the HoL though to be in Government (iirc, Gus McDonald had to be ennobled to serve in Blair(?)'s Cabinet). And as the SNP refuse to participate in the Honours List process, that would scupper Nicola for PM Hmm

Wouldn't scupper wee Ruthie though Wink

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 16:02

Id take a hard pass on 'wee Ruthie'

DGRossetti · 04/08/2019 16:04

I think you do need to be either in the HoC or the HoL though to be in Government

Is it written down anywhere ? Otherwise it's just a "convention" whose time may have come.