Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

Even if Corbyn and Cameron didn't take the stage together they could certainly have done a more joined up campaign. As they were supposedly on the same side 'n all.

Justanother tories are to blame for calling the referendum.
But Corbyn is a weak Leader, he is a Lexiter and has only ever been interested in his own agenda or that of Len McCluskey.

He should be held responsible with the Tories.

unless the organisers of the new govt have the MP votes committed and ready to snap into place almost immediately

What else are Hammond and Starmer going to do between now and brexit? It's not like there's any legislating to be done.

poster Too late
A LibDem majority - apart from being a fantasy - could only legally happen after a GE, which would almost certainly be after a No Deal Brexit

Until Brexit day, the MPs we have now are those who will have to avoid No Deal

pretzels I just disagree with waiting until fewer than 14 days left, for the reasons I stated
It significantly increases the risk of No Deal happening

But Corbyn is a weak Leader, he is a Lexiter and has only ever been interested in his own agenda or that of Len McCluskey.

Soundbite bollocks perpetuated by the media (not the Lexiter bit lol)

So essentially BCF with current parliament a Corbyn led Labour is the only thing between us and a No Deal then and hoping on just Tory rebels and LibDems and some parts of the PLP to get us out of this is again fantasy, sorry if I'm missing something glaringly obvious, other than Corbyn leaving so bugger off with that

Who's going to be easier to remove from the crease? Corbyn or Smith?

Peter Walker@peterwalker99

While I realise the Leave.EU Twitter feed is more of a hard/far right mouthpiece these days than anything else,

the use of words like “vermin” to describe political opponents is wrong and disturbing.


Leave.EU@LeaveEUOfficial

Well done to Frank Field for defending his seat at the next election after being ousted from his local Labour party by Remainer vermin.

How is it bollocks?

Its disingenuous as if Corbyn isnt his own agent and has someone pulling his strings, its ridiculous conspiracy bullshit, so who was pulling his strings before McCluskey and before that and before that [eye roll emoji]

Part of the problem that both the Conservatives and Labour (at least, the Lexiters ) had campaigning for Remain is that neither could wholeheartedly promote all the benefits

Conservatives because they didn't want to talk about the workers' rights that the EU had imposed helped to harmonise across the bloc, the tax avoidance directives, the environmental protections.....

and

Labour because they didn't want to admit that some of the workers' rights weren't purely Labour initiatives, but that even supposedly "Right wing" governments within the EU saw them as eminently normal and sensible and because they claimed that it was the nasty EU stopping them nationalising (even though it is possible: just that tenders still need to be open and transparent, without unjustified and/or exclusive state subsidies).

poster That's why I've decided that if Labour allow a No Deal - by demanding Corbyn lead any new govt -
I will switch my attention to supporting those who want to destroy Labour

It is bad enough having one party - the Tories - willing to destroy the country for ideology;
If both major parties are willing to do this, then the country has no hope until one or both of the parties is destroyed

• and if the Tories are destroyed, Farage's party just replaces them

I can accept the Tory party's behaviour more readily, because they are doing what a large majority of their members and voters fiercely demand.

In contrast Labour are putting party, ideology and Corbyn's ego before the wishes of over 70% of their voters
That's not forgiveable

Going off on a bit of a tangent here, but thinking about Cameron and Corbyn, made me think of the unlikely friendship between Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley that was forged when the decided on pragmatism.

who was pulling his strings before McCluskey and before that and before that [eye roll emoji
Same as now. The SWP.

I don't think it makes any material difference if Corbyn is own master or Len and Seumus.

I just disagree with waiting until fewer than 14 days left, for the reasons I stated
It significantly increases the risk of No Deal happening

At the moment I would put no deal at pretty much 100% - the Pm wants it and no one can stop him.
I don't think there's room for a significant increase in something that the PM is driving at full steam ahead. It's going to happen bar a miracle. But keeping powder dry and having an iron cast plan in place before acting, and then doing it so there isn't time to put the ball back in Blowjob's court re deciding when to call the election seems more sensible than jumping the gun in September - finding it has to go to election because they didn't take the time to get the numbers needed to form a government and Boris taking us over the cliff edge.

Corbyn aint going anywhere yet tbh BCF for good or ill its the choice of the membership and as far as I know the membership is mainly Remain and they seem happy enough with Corbyn so not sure how to square that circle

women119 uh huh cool story bro

women119 uh huh cool story bro
No idea what that means.
I have it on very good authority that Iit was common knowledge amongst labour MPs throughout Corbyn's tenure as a back bencher that he was in the pocket of the SWP.

Cool story bro is what you say to someone who spouts bollocks, uh huh good authority yeah I'm not one for anecdotal evidence always seems to confirm the holders bias in my experience

JustAnotherPoster
Someone asked this morning on twitter if everyone was cross with Corbyn because he slept with their boyfriend / girlfriend.

There are some very funny responses. The best one is "because he keeps winning Best Marrow competitions and gardeners hold a grudge" - there have indeed been Murders in Midsummer over less.

Just waiting for 1 November when the country fails to fall off a cliff and the lack of Tory demise or Brexit with a Deal in progress is ALL Corbyn's fault. Alternatively we do fall off a cliff and that will still be ALL Corbyn's fault despite him not having been in Government or even having majority support in his own PLP let alone the Opposition benches ever since he took office.

At that point everyone will still vote Tory either because they are most trusted when the country is in a mess and the Labour Party will be completely divided OR because Boris is judged to have delivered in spite of all the recalcitrant opposition.

JustAnotherPoster

towards the LibDems but what are their policies other than Remain..

Eh? The Lib Dem's have a full manifesto like every other party...other than BXP

because he keeps winning Best Marrow competitions and gardeners hold a grudge

I keep losing socks and Corbyns got the face of a sock stealer the hosiery pilfering bastard that he is (def not the dog)

wheresmymojo I did say not knowing was probably on me

Getting tired of Corbyn receiving equal blame as the Tories for Brexit. The Tories have fought over europe for 40 years, called the referendum, lost the referendum and have presided over the mess of the last 3 years.

Corbyn should have shared a podium with Cameron? Yeah, because that worked well for the Lib Dems. Any politician that supported remain got labelled an elitist.