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Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2019 12:31

Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

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Hazardtired · 04/08/2019 11:10

therewillbeanextensivehangover You poor thing. I haven't had a hangover for months and months and the thought of one with small children Shock

Oakenbeach · 04/08/2019 11:17

....but it can only legislate otherwise if it can take control of parliamentary business confused - which is not how that place normally operates sad

I can’t see Bercow not permitting this in such circumstances... the case for permitting this far exceed the case in the Spring for indicative votes.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 04/08/2019 11:17

Thanks hazard

I don’t really deserve sympathy as it’s all self inflicted. Ge

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 04/08/2019 11:19

Oops

Getting older sucks. I had 5 (single) gins over 6 hours, years ago that would have counted as a restrained night out.

Hazardtired · 04/08/2019 11:24

Ditto adequate I used to knock back half a bottle of tequila and 6 double shots of vodka (with mixers and ice cos I'm classy)....now a few singles and I'm tipsy. More than that and i'm hungover. Who have I become?!

Googled hammond, he's keeping low, eating dinner with his wife and discussing how to revoke.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1160668/brexit-news-philip-hammond-gavin-barwell-article-50-boris-johnson-theresa-may

DGRossetti · 04/08/2019 11:39

The political problem with a unilateral offer of an extension is it effectively means the UK has "won". All the benefits of the EUs institutions, but none of the perceived obligations domestically. It would look like cake and eat it.

GaspodeWonderCat · 04/08/2019 12:07

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49225916 BBC picture of seized tanker (end of story) has Panama painted on the stern (blunt end of ship Smile). So registered in Panama but does not state who owns/crews the vessel.

DGRossetti · 04/08/2019 12:09

has Panama painted on the stern

Are they sending their navy over ? If they have 2 ships, they'd outnumber the UK at the moment ....

GaspodeWonderCat · 04/08/2019 12:10

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/how-does-the-rest-of-the-world-currently-view-the-uk-brexit-boris-johnson Interesting article in the Guardian how rest of world sees us.

Summary: this is a British crisis, not a European one. And you will never solve it without leaving, one way or another. So please, go now. Check the freezing temperature outside, fix your problem. And then come back. The door will stay open, because we do want you back. Just calmed down a bit

Peregrina · 04/08/2019 12:12

What don't these idiots get:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49223319

The EU must renegotiate or face No Deal? Is the EU a colony of the British Empire, like India was?

This statement is an absolute prize:

But Mr Barclay said the backstop could mean people in Northern Ireland having EU rules "foisted on them" indefinitely to preserve the open border.

The Country voted REMAIN you fool, they will be perfectly happy to have EU rules foisted on them!

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 12:26

"The political problem with a unilateral offer of an extension is it effectively means the UK has "won". All the benefits of the EUs institutions, but none of the perceived obligations domestically. " Hmm

NO

Same as the previous extensions - the UK would still be a member, with all the obligations that entails

The UK has only won if it gets rid of at least some legal obligations - remaining longer doesn't do this at all
Extending would hammer the Tories and benefit Farage

  • What the ERG want is to continue enjoying the EU benefits of the SM, EU trade deals with non-EU countries etc after Brexit
The EU won't offer that
GaspodeWonderCat · 04/08/2019 12:27

DGR Panama has 11 patrol boats. Light blue only not deep blue.

Montrose & Duncan are flying the flag at the moment in the Gulf. And HMS Westminster tracking the Chinese ship in the channel - no spare capability. Apart from aircraft carrier with no aircraft ...

Rule Britannia indeed ...

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/royal-navy-tracks-chinese-warship-as-it-passes-through-english-channel-a4204781.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panamanian_Public_Forces#Maritime_forces

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 12:38

This is why I posted earlier that Corbyn is and has always been the roadblock to stopping No Deal, or indeed Revoke:

With any normal Labour leader, enough Tory rebels (along with the smaller Opposition parties) would offer at least confidence & support to Labour to form an interim govt to tackle Brexit only
to extend and e.g. call a PV

It is theoretically possible for the PLP to vote out Corbyn - he has maybe 35 die-hard supporters
Would those Corbynites then side with the Tories in a VoNC ?

V v unlikely though,
because it would mean Labour tearing apart their own party to rescue the country from a crisis created entirely by the hard right takeover of the Tory party

Their hope is that Labour Remainers - and the floating centrists they need to win a GE - will suffer total amnesia Angryabout Corbyn being an enabler to Brexit

Shows the contempt that Labour leaders - and Lexiters generally - have for the voters

I can accept Labour trying and failing to stop Brexit, just as I can accept them failing to stop any other Tory policy, e.g. UC and limiting benefits to 2 DC

I will NEVER forgive Labour for not even trying

So after a No Deal Brexit I would be supporting anyone trying to destroy Labour
They become the Enemy.
Permanently

Unlike the Tories, who are just doing what their supporters want, Labour abandoned over 70% of theirs, for ideological reasons of a small clique

tobee · 04/08/2019 12:39

If we can just get Steve Smith out everything will be fine. Grin

DGRossetti · 04/08/2019 12:39

@BCF

I was careful to use the word "perceived" in my comment. Perception and reality are very different things.

There is a very real danger that were the EU to offer a unilateral extension, some numbskulls would perceive it to be "great, we get the good stuff but don't have to do anything in return."

You and I know that isn't the case, but Brexit isn't about knowledge is it ?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 12:41

It is theoretically possible for the PLP to vote out Corbyn

Its not the PLP's gift to give BCF

tobee · 04/08/2019 12:41

I thought Panama was often a flag 🇵🇦 of convenience in the world of shipping?

tobee · 04/08/2019 12:46

If Corbyn is the only way out of this mess Just I'm wondering if he knows there's a bit of a time limit.

Talking of fantasies.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 12:48

poster The PLP can vote for their leader in the HoC, who doesn't have to be the same as the Labour party leader

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 12:51

very theoretical, because that's basically setting up an Alternative Labour party in the HoC

They might have been tempted to do that for other reasons, but not to solve a Brexit created almost entirely by the Tory party

JustAnotherPoster00 · 04/08/2019 12:54

Other than resigning and the glib answer of he needs to be opposing what do you feel he should be doing tobee? He supported all the PV measures and the preventative No Deal measures the last time we had indicitive votes, he didnt support the Cherry amendment because he would have been even more crucified than he currently is in the right wing side of the MSM, he's said PV under any circumstance. Other than coming out with revoke or all out remain (setting himself up for more media focus than the Tory party are getting) which just isnt going to happen, what he's trying to do a is a fine balancing act of respecting 'democracy' with the referendum result and trying not to fuck britain over with No Deal, so what do you think he should do?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 12:55

DG The EU would be concerned only with the E27 public and what the rest of the world thinks - so that nooone thinks they are a soft touch

They are no longer very interested in whatever "we won" fantasies the Brexiters indulge in

In fact if the British public were to believe that Revoke or a cosmetically changed WA was a British victory,
the EU would just laugh quietly and take the win

tobee · 04/08/2019 12:58

I'm going on what you said about him getting us out of this mess. You brought it up.

tobee · 04/08/2019 12:59

That was to Just

BigChocFrenzy · 04/08/2019 13:00

Starmer is talking to Hammond & other parties,
so they must know if there could be an HoC majority for an alternative - and very temporary govt - just to extend while deciding whether to order a PV or whatever

IF Corbyn is the only roadblock, then he should put country before ego and step down temporarily as leader of the PLP, not as Labour Leader

under the understanding that he would return as full leader as soon as the temporary govt had finished its Brexit work and Parliament was dissolved for the next GE

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