Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

Dont know how many times I need to point out that 'magic grandpa' isnt going anywhere the membership is still behindhim , good or bad its still fact

Then the membership are fools.

BBC headline saying that Barclay is telling the EU they face no deal if they don't negotiate. Almost as if they didn't know

I WONDER IF HE TRIED SAYING IT LOUDER ?

OR MAYBE EVEN SHOUTING ?

Then the membership are fools.

Meh, opinion is nothing more than that

Labour votes are haemorrhaging left, right and centre. There are many people with the same opinion.

I've no idea why some people are so blind as to what having Corbyn at the helm is doing to their party. This dogged support of somebody not fit the be Leader of the Opposition is baffling. If he actually did his job we wouldn't be in this bloody mess.

DGR one other comment from his interview stood out

By contrast, Boris Johnson's appointment as prime minister strengthened the UK's mandate to leave on 31 October, he said.

WTAF - how does he come to that conclusion?

mojo I agree with you on purdah and was about to post the same. Leaving date is already in law regardless of any Deal status.

Another suggestion would be EU unilaterally granting an extension. I think this falls foul of Art 50 for the same reason that Jo and co won the case on UK's unilateral right to Revoke ie it is for the Member State not the EU to choose.

Re VoNC and alternative Governments some interesting suggestions on David Allen Green's thread. In short I agree with red. (Who outside the Conservative Party would lend confidence to Grieve and co? Who in the current Labour Front bench could lend support to anyone deposing Corbyn? Jo Swinson has already said she could not support Corbyn. I doubt even the SNP are daft enough to unite around a LibDem led Government)

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/tory-candidate-says-english-taxpayers-fleeced-by-scotland

That's nice, isn't it? Not remotely surprised, the utter Tory contempt for Scotland and NI is clear.

Without him TM would have had a majority and would have found it easier to have forced her WA through, I'm not saying he's not without his faults but with a hostile media, constant sniping from the right of the PLP, all its done is managed to entrench out thinking (no different to Brexiters I guess) but in my mind he's the only route out of this mess tbh, the fantasy that some have on here of national unity government with Caroline Lucas at the head (not going to happen), or the Lib Dems getting a country wide majority to revoke A50 (not going to happen), the Lib Dems refusing to work with Corbyn but they havent ruled out working with Johnson so dont be suprised if you dont end up with another Con/Dem coalition thats going to take us out of the EU, do I still want to Remain of course I do but I'm willing to accept the CU/SM brexit if thats what we have to have but at least Corbyn is offering a PV under any circumstance, so say Labour gets in the negotiate a deal then it will be put back to the public with the option of Remain on the ballot, its the closest were going to get to being able to Remain in my mind

I had a push ad on my twitter earlier offering to filter the 4,000+ shows at the Festival for me. Needless to say I was bored of it before it had loaded.

Critic reviews are not that important to the Festival eco-system these days. The fact that they can't afford rooms is symptomatic of them being squeezed out in general. BBC Scotland and STV do review shows nightly staffed by locals for anyone still picking what to see. Even this is of little added value to anyone with a social media presence.

For the wider industry it is more about seeing and being seen by each other than critic reviews. Each other includes writers, producers,
promoters and commissioners as well as performers.

Bit of an aside but a good example of what localisation as opposed to globalisation might be starting to take shape as.

Another suggestion would be EU unilaterally granting an extension. I think this falls foul of Art 50 for the same reason that Jo and co won the case on UK's unilateral right to Revoke ie it is for the Member State not the EU to choose.

But they could offer an extension. Which then puts a huge big bollock in the UKs court. (But enough about Boris ). It would then be up to the UK to reject an extension. In full view of the world with the undoubtedly associated plummeting of confidence around the globe.

How much trust would you put in a country facing the scale of chaos no deal would bring actively "bringing it on" ? It would another signal for even more capital flight - what's the next step ? Mass nationalisations a la Cuba ?

Iranians have seized another tanker.

Why it's almost as if they actually have a decent Navy and can Do Stuff. If only someone had analysed that and put it out there a few weeks back.

Oh, I did.

Where's Donnie ? Is he awake yet ? What time is it up North Koreas arse at the moment ?

DGR is it a UK tanker? I just saw foreign mentioned on BBC

I've just seen that BBC headline, DGR. Oh my god this is so embarrassing.

I don't know about shouting. Words of one syllable are required.

UK - you small. EU - them big. You - chose leave. EU - not. UK - want cake? Stay. Else go. Your choice. You take con-se-quence-s. Aha I see the problem! Consequences has more than one syllable!

I think it would be even more difficult politically for Boris to accept an extension unilaterally offered than it would be for him to request one. He could try to spin it as the EU begging us to negotiate but it is more likely to play as the EU refusing to let us Leave. (remember there is no need for a full negotiation if they simply agree to a standstill while we negotiate having left)

Then we are back at the timing issue / practicality of replacing him before exit date.

I love Michel Barnier saying that Johnson's approach to Brexit was 'rather combative'. That's diplomatic speech for 'delusions of grandeur, and I wish he'd bloody stop raving' that is.

dark how about risk?

You go. You take risk . Risk big. Risk bad. Risk is pain. Ouch risk. Ouch.

If they offer an extension unilaterally, then you are into continuity no deal. This has been suggested way back when by no deal hardliners.

This is problematic for the EU though, as it removes their leverage for a deal and the argument they've made about preconditions for a deal. And therefore EU political integrity - it makes it easier for other countries to try and leave.

It makes them look weak and toothless.

That's the issue.

I find continuity no deal an intriguing prospect (as its a soft leave / close to remain)

There is also the issue of upholding EU standards and source of origin issues which will be incompatible with a US trade deal which the libertarians part of the Tory party look like they are gunning for, especially with Liz Truss already in talks in this area.

It's a nice thought, but there is a reason why continuity no deal was dismissed as an idea some time ago.

I should have thought of that! Ouch - ouch - splat.

James Cleverly using intriguing wording on Sophie Ridge show:

We are not going to initiate a general election," he said, when appearing on Sky's Sophy Ridge On Sunday.

Initiate? Maybe he’s saying that someone else could initiate a GE?

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/james-cleverly-on-sophy-ridge-on-sky-1-6198074

DGR is it a UK tanker? I just saw foreign mentioned on BBC

No idea. I imagine Twitter would be aflame if it were UK. It just being "foreign" non-UK means it has to be spun a different way, and it's Sunday. So the spinmeisters are going to be away from their desks.

Loads of angles of course. If it is UK flagged, then it's red face for the UK after making such a big noise about our one ship escorting all our shipping

If it's not UK flagged, we have to change the "Iran has it in for us" narrative that we've been trying to build on behalf of Donnie T.

I'll repeat it for the Foreign Office, and the MoD. Iran is not a backward stupid country. It was a model of secular democracy until the UK and US decided that was far too much a problem, and Operation Ajax removed their democracy and installed the Shah. Which rather unsportingly (much like the Irish) they remember and harbour a grudge for. If the UK really wants to square up for a Big Boys Battle, it's going to have to seriously up it's game.

Keeping it in the area, did anyone catch the reshowing of Rageh Omaars' excellent 3-part history of the Ottoman empire:

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03d0d5d/the-ottomans-europes-muslim-emperors-episode-1

I can't recommend it highly enough. It's a pocket guide to why the Middle East is as it is. And Britain really doesn't come out of it too well. It would be a bad day for Britain if all the countries mentioned had a secret pow-wow, and realised they are all in the shit because of Britain. A Middle-East alliance that is strong enough to freeze out the UK should be on someones radar. Especially if the UK is stupid enough to step out of the EU and "go it alone" ....

Hester that's setting up an enemy narrative that's useful for a later GE post 31st Oct.

I You go. You take risk . Risk big. Risk bad. Risk is pain. Ouch risk. Ouch^

I needed this advise last night hazard

You go out - fun. You drink gin - fun. You wake up - ouch in the head.

Gin - fun at the time - but morning ouch.

That’s what this country is doing. Getting pissed and having a bloody marvellous time shouting about how great it is. But the hangovers coming. And a hangover is worse to deal with when you are looking after small children (as I’m finding out today).

It is gulf media reporting the word 'foreign' - so not British media.

Twitter tells me that 'the flag of the tanker is unknown'.

So could be any nation other than Iran.

Agree with you red. Interesting for you to put the EU's perspective next to my version of the Leave GATT 24 argument.