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Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough

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RedToothBrush · 01/08/2019 12:31

Believe in Brexit. Brexit will be great. If only you believe.

So this is why the pound has tanked.
This is why the Treasury has opened the piggie bank for prep. This has sparked something of a backlash amongst moderates and remain MPs.
This will go towards managing that Channel Tunnel Congestion in Kent we weren't going to have.
And to stockpiling drugs which again was just hysteria.
This is why Gove, an MP who actually does have an eye for detail, has been drafted into the Cabinet Office.
This is why after his stint at DEFRA he is planning to buy tonnes of meat at a fixed price to keep farms in business.

Johnson has been to NI. But it wasn't a publicity stunt apparently. This is a man who posed for a photo when he resigned from the Foreign Office.

He was met with protests.

He also has a phonecall with the Leo Varadkar which was 'warm', before its been said by the DUP that Dublin must be a willing partner in a Brexit Deal.

Johnson is also still sticking to the line that technology can solve the border issue. Technology which will not be available until 2030 at the earliest by the government's own admission.

Johnson has refused to meet any European leaders until they drop the backstop (I note there are no EU meetings planned until mid October just a couple of weeks before the 31st anyway, so this kind of suits him and makes him look tough when really its been timetabled that way for a while. The EU themselves say that the 'next possible contact' with Johnson isn't until the G7 at the end of August anyway too).

However his 'Brexit Sherpa' David Frost - Olly Robbins successor HAS been meeting with EU officials still...

Dr Phillip Lee has confirmed today that he is actively considering his future as a Tory and defecting to the LDs. The rumour has been going for a while, and he is in the process of being deselected by his local party. To openly say it, is quite something though.

We also have the Brecon By Election today, which if the LD win as expected, would reduce the government's majority to just 1.

It is possible that Johnson will be leading a minority government very soon, if the cards fall the right way.

The speculation is rife that Johnson actively wants to force a GE. This hasn't been helped by Dominic Cummings has ordered the preparation of a Budget in the week starting Oct 7. Which would need to be voted for through parliament.

Votes on budget and other important issues are where not having a majority become crucial.

If a budget vote got stuck and provoked a GE it would perhaps land whilst Brexit Party Supporters had returned to the Tory party but perhaps before all the shit has start to hit the fan and people get really fed up.

And even if we do have no deal, when we DO have a deal, we will have to put a bill through parliament to implement it. Whilst everyone has focused on the backstop, no one has thought about this... which is pretty important.

It is remarkable that a No Deal Supporting Government are now seemingly planning for Project Fear.

And we were the crazy ones?

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NoWordForFluffy · 02/08/2019 08:46

Labours result was shocking. Really hope this is the wake up call Corbyn needs to fucking resign already.

Did you hear that thud? That was me falling over laughing at this proposition (not as disrespect to you, @ThereWillBeAdequateFood, but because that would take some element of self-awareness from Corbyn which he is very much lacking).

SistemaAddict · 02/08/2019 08:48

Pmk. Working majority of ONE 🤣

Socksontheradiator · 02/08/2019 08:51

Who might be a potential replacement for Corbyn?

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 02/08/2019 08:53

IDid you hear that thud? That was me falling over laughing at this proposition (not as disrespect to you, @ThereWillBeAdequateFood, but because that would take some element of self-awareness from Corbyn which he is very much lacking)^

noword Grin I’m an eternal optimist. I been proved wrong again and again and I’m pretty sure I’m wrong about Corbyn voluntarily quitting. Sad

howabout · 02/08/2019 09:02

The Brexit Party's Des Parkinson ... said: "If you look at the actual total of the vote, the Brexiteers won.

"It shows where the votes are but the prime minister has to deliver a clear Brexit... if he doesn't, then his government is in dire trouble".

Definition of a pyrrhic victory for Remainers / soft Brexiters / Tory opposition imho.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636

The ERG did not want to win and have Remain Tories telling them they could risk backing away from No Deal. The Brexit Party did the exact amount necessary to show the Tories where their extra votes need to come from. Labour did SO badly it looks like there is very little appetite for and few votes in compromise / soft Brexit. Also not a good verdict on the Labour Welsh Assembly Party.

To add to the Conservative majority of 1 there are 16 independents, some of whom are pro-Brexit.

JoannaCuppa · 02/08/2019 09:02

Who might be a potential replacement for Corbyn?

Starmer? Possibly Yvette Cooper?

QueenOfThorns · 02/08/2019 09:05

Belated PMK with a ‘cone of shame’ cat. Poor thing has an abscess behind his ear and won’t leave it alone. He’s been moping about and bumping into things all week, but is going to the vet this morning and will hopefully be released!

Good news about the by-election, but I think if Jezza was going to pack it in, he would have done so after the locals or EU elections Sad

Westministenders: Brexit Preppers Are Traitors Who Don't Believe Enough
TheABC · 02/08/2019 09:06

I am wondering what it would take for Labour to ditch Corbyn. Diabolical election results and racism are not enough. Neither is the lack of leadership.

Are we just waiting for him to resign through boredom or ill-health?

Motheroffourdragons · 02/08/2019 09:14

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PigeonofDoom · 02/08/2019 09:16

Labour did so badly because they’re shit, how. Can you tell me what their brexit stance is? I couldn’t. You hear rumblings from shadow ministers but you can’t pin Corbyn down on anything. His nebulous cloud of nothingness is causing real harm to the party. I wonder how many votes they lost to the Lib Dem’s?

JoannaCuppa · 02/08/2019 09:20

When I used to work, I sometimes had mini fantasies about winning the lottery, putting my feet up on my desk, and seeing how long it took them to sack me for inactivity.

It seems that the ego boost of being elected Labour Leader, and the unquestioning devotion of Bromentum, is Corbyn's lottery win.

Balootoyoutoo · 02/08/2019 09:20

Long Time Lurker breaking silence to say...:

But But But, do we really want Jeremy to go right now...? The 'Remain Alliance' worked beautifully in Brecon. I'm super impressed at Plaid and the Greens for stepping back. If Jeremy left, and Labour got back in the game, would they join the alliance, or just end up ruining a system that looks as if it might just work?

On a related note, does anyone know how the Remain Alliance stands a chance of working more widely across the UK? And if so, how they plan to do this?

I found this article interesting, if depressing. theconversation.com/remain-alliance-can-it-halt-brexit-and-beat-boris-johnson-121266

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 02/08/2019 09:22

queen even with the cone of shame your cat is beautiful.

howabout · 02/08/2019 09:24

Pigeon I have no idea what Labour would really do about Brexit either. I also have very little confidence the majority of the PLP are actually behind the domestic agenda as outlined in 2017.

I don't disagree with your verdict but imho TW and co are at least as culpable as JC. If Sir Keir had indeed been the clever place man to keep JC in check as touted then he would have come up with a strategy to prevent this outcome. Instead he created the perfect formula for either side to continually cut the legs from under each other.

If it's any consolation Scottish Labour are in an even worse mess than Wales, despite not having any power or responsibility for anything. Sad

Motheroffourdragons · 02/08/2019 09:25

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ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 02/08/2019 09:27

But But But, do we really want Jeremy to go right now

May dream is its not a very well thought out one and is insanely optimistic

  • corbyn resigns and Starmer takes over
  • a (or several) Tory Mp (s) cross the floor and Johnson loses his majority.
  • Labour with Starmer is able to form a cobbled together coalition government. Promising to ask for another extension and then another referendum.
  • the second referendum had to stipulate exactly what kind of Leave that want.
  • last step is pray that there aren’t enough people in the U.K. to actually vote no deal.
JoannaCuppa · 02/08/2019 09:27

Emily Thornberry has deviated from the 'groupthink' on her visit to Oz and has said if the country gets a chance to remain, we would be "off our rockers" not to take it.

Don't think she and Corbyn are getting each other's memos!

DGRossetti · 02/08/2019 09:45

The Brexit Party's Des Parkinson ... said: "If you look at the actual total of the vote, the Brexiteers won

But luckily, we don't. That's how FPTP works. If you aren't happy with it, then by all means try and change it. But as things stand Brecon is a Remain seat thanks to FPTP.

Basilpots · 02/08/2019 09:49

Joanna think all Corbyns emails to Emily go directly into her spam filter Grin

MaxNormal · 02/08/2019 09:54

Today my ire is for Corbyn. He is proving pivotal in this perfect storm of a Brexit disaster. Selfish bastard.

JoannaCuppa · 02/08/2019 10:00

@Basilpots Grin that's presuming he can be bothered to write any.

pamperramper · 02/08/2019 10:20

I live in Scotland and am very pro-Remain. But 62% was NOT an overwhelming Remain vote.

SwedishEdith · 02/08/2019 10:21

Speculation that Frank Field is going to join another political party today. Possibly not the Brexit Party either despite his leave stance.

Hmm, can't think who he'd join then. Like, Hoey, he's old and probably not looking to stand again anyway? He's been touring the UK with Heidi Allen but getting into bed with her, politically, seems unlikely. He was a Tory but, again, very doubtful considering his constituency?

MaxNormal · 02/08/2019 10:24

62% was a lot more overwhelming than the UK national Leave vote although you'd swear that was 100% such is the store set by it.

Peregrina · 02/08/2019 10:26

The Brexit Party's Des Parkinson ... said: "If you look at the actual total of the vote, the Brexiteers won.

To be fair the Remain parties made similar claims in the European Parliament elections - they got the biggest number of seats but it was split between LibDem/Green/SNP/PC.

But this was a narrow Leave voting area so the Brexit party should have done much better than come an extremely poor third, if the country really did want to just get on with Brexit. I knew it though, the Press would go on about Labour's poor performance.

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