Those who said a few months back that a no-deal brexit would not happen no matter what

[StealthPolarBear]

and we were being ridiculous to worry about it, are you still as confident?

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

I think a lot of the evidence was there before and was talked about. The problem now is the same as the problem then. The remain campaigners still haven’t quite got to grips with the idea that they’re not going to win voters over with facts, evidence and reality. It’s all about feeling and emotions these days. It needs an entirely different type of campaign.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

He is just thick and inept.

Tbh, it’s they sort of strategy you’d only be trying at this point if you were thick and inept.

[Moomin8]

With Corbyn as the head of he labour party the tories are likely to win a general election.

I disagree. If younger people go out and vote like they did last time, the Tories are going to lose even more seats. Most younger people do not feel that the Tories give a fuck about them or their futures.

[tomtom1999xx]

Agree with everything GhostofFrankGrimes said.

[bellinisurge]

I woke up sort of pleased that at least Gove the Robot has been put in charge of no Deal preparations and now I feel dirty and need a shower.

[Mistigri]

Boris wants parliament to stop no deal, so he can blame them, get an extension and hold a GE (so the smart thing for remainers and the EU would be to do - nothing at all).

I think we are heading for another extension, and then a second, longer extension. Why?

• Boris can't easily hold a GE before 31/10 because of timing constraints
• He can't hold one after a no-deal, because the govt would be in crisis management mode
• So he needs an extension. Best case scenario is that he can blame the extension on parliament.
• After an election, if he has a majority he can ditch the DUP, agree a further extension and negotiate a border in the Irish Sea. This allows a slightly modified WA to pass.

We're (probably) still leaving but we will still be in the EU on 31/10/2020.

[fia101]

I live near border - would like it if Boris had the decency to come here and speak to us about what exactly he expects to happen come October or don't we matter?

[CrotchetyQuaver]

My understanding of the situation is that it's no deal brexit unless we agree to the EU deal as it stands. Parliament doesn't need to do anything?

[InTheHeatofLisbon]

The EU have already stated they'd be happy to extend, and No Deal does have to pass through parliament otherwise there wouldn't have been a threat to suspend parliament in order to get No Deal through.

Brexit, if nothing else, has shown we all know fuck all about what will happen because nothing that was predicted has happened yet, apart from the entire UK being divided by it.

No Deal is not the default, and will only happen if the UK government doesn't get a grip.

[Whatthefoxgoingon]

There were indeed some bloody ridiculous posters asserting that no deal was impossible, like they were some sort of oracle and knew something the rest of us didn’t.

No deal is unlikely but never impossible.

[Triglesoffy]

Rachel Johnson looked dismayed when her brother was voted in as Tory leader. What do you think she’ll give him for Christmas? A tin of Spam?

[bellinisurge]

@fia101 I want to see Johnson at the border too.

[probstimeforanewname]

I have said that I didn't think no deal would happen because I thought it was too crazy, and with my legal hat on, how can you have a situation where there is no legal certainty?

However, that was before I heard the reports on the radio this morning that the government's top priority is no deal. I am surprised at Gove, I thought he'd realised that no deal was going to be a shocking mess. And Hancock said people would die.

As pp's have said, no deal is the default and I don't think parliament can stop it, despite the talk of suspending it - I think it was just to make sure.

I think Boris might be bluffing, I don't think a lot of the people around him are. I do truly wonder what sort of mess we are going to be in in a year's time.

I have a bit of a stockpile from March, I am now starting in earnest to build it up.

[probstimeforanewname]

As for another extension the EU said only if there was a GE or another referendum. Macron didn't want to give the UK one last time.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

No Deal does have to pass through parliament otherwise there wouldn't have been a threat to suspend parliament in order to get No Deal through.

It really doesn’t. If we do absolutely nothing at all we drop out of the EU at 11pm on the 31st October without having agreed a deal. Parliament don’t have to pass anything in order for that to be the case.

Suspending parliament would stop MPs doing anything to try and prevent no deal, but really there’s only a limited number of options they have there anyway.

Mostly suspect that talk of suspending parliament is bullshit designed to appeal some members of the public or some MPs not having a clue what they are talking about.

[TheABC]

I have been consistently wrong on how batshit the government can be. I am therefore building my stockpile again and just grimly waiting to see what happens.

I don't think Johnson wants a No-Deal, but if we default into it, he will just shrug his shoulders and blame the EU for not giving in.

[Tullow2016]

I think our best hope is a legal challenge againt no deal or Bercow pulling something out of the hat

Attorney General, Cox, thinks there is no law to prevent a no deal

[probstimeforanewname]

I don't think Johnson wants a No-Deal, but if we default into it, he will just shrug his shoulders and blame the EU for not giving in

And by this time next year he may be PM of England and Wales only. Well maybe not by this time next year but I wonder why he's so keen to be a PM of a broken country, in the process of constitutional break-up.

[DippyAvocado]

I was very worried about no deal in March and had built up a pretty sizeable stockpile. I'm finding it harder to imagine no-deal on October, but I think that's because I am so used to not believing a word that comes out of Boris Johnson's mouth. I will probably have to build up my stash again.

[probstimeforanewname]

I suppose the only thing about October is that it's not "hungry gap" time, and the shops will be full of Christmas stuff, so we can all live in unhealthy food if there is nothing else (fresh) to eat.

[probstimeforanewname]

On not in!

[InTheHeatofLisbon]

It really doesn’t. If we do absolutely nothing at all we drop out of the EU at 11pm on the 31st October without having agreed a deal. Parliament don’t have to pass anything in order for that to be the case.

Fair enough. It seems my checking out of politics has had an effect, in that I misunderstood that.

If that happens, Ian Blackford will be right. Johnson will be the last PM of the UK.

Ironically, the most conservative unionist of them all will be responsible for the break up of the UK, because he's too arrogant to realise that the Scots and Northern Irish people won't just fall in line.

Fuck it, I'm genuinely at the point where this has affected my MH so badly I can't bring myself to give a shit any longer.

Whatever is going to happen is out of my control, and planning for the worst is about where I'm at.

[Tullow2016]

Good point about Johnson going to the Irish border. A drive along (500+KM apparently) with regular stop offs to see how many crossings there are might make him realize the scale of the problem which, according to Johnson, is easy to solve.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

I’m thinking that’s all any of us can do, IntheHeat. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

[InTheHeatofLisbon]

RafaIsTheKingOfClay that's all we can do I fear. Ironically, although I feel Scotland does have an option which gives me hope, and I'd take it in a heartbeat, I really, really don't want to see England and Wales screwed as a result of Brexit.

I really do worry that they will be, Scotland too if Indy 2 doesn't happen.

It's such a horrible mess, I can't even get angry any more. It's just a mire of hatred and anger and bitterness combined with elitist arrogance and foolhardy soundbites.

What a fucking mess.