All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

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Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

The fact that the Brexit board of MN is in a bit of a corner, and originally had a different title making it even more obscure may have something to do with it being more a 'remainers' section. There are of course not many ways of saying 'we won get over it' and since only a few managed to come up with any explanation of what they have won it quietened down. The fact that most of the claims of the Leave parties are easily demolished as rubbish, by even a quick online search.
When the more recent countries joined the EU, most, if not all other countries had a 7 year 'restriction' to limit the numbers. I forget what the derails were, either total numbers, or by self funding regulations, but the UK (Blair?) did not place any restriction, partly as they were seen as an advantage to be employed in seasonal work that many 'Brits' were not prepared to do, for the money on offer.
It is of course easy to blame one thing, but until you understand the connectedness of so many policies (or rather the wholesale failings of Government) you can't make a proper view.
Those who voted leave, tend to want simple answers and expect a simple answer to be the 'solution'.

sionna yy it may be the articles provide focus whereas general threads on here just descend into name-calling, insults and mud-slinging.

I remember there was an interesting thread about occupations of people who voted Leave. That was a specific question and it was fascinating because the answers provided a very different perspective than the insult-heavy threads or the MSM coverage of that topic.

I keep comparing MN Brexit threads to the Scottish referendum threads because there was a similar split but the threads after the Scottish referendum remained split and debate continued. There didn't seem such a concerted effort by a few vocal posters to create an echo chamber.

It is a remain echo chamber and quite an unpleasant male-dominated one. I occasionally visit because I'm interested in Brexit but it's not like other areas of MN where all sorts of people post. Instead, there are regulars who have been posting multiple long posts all day and everyday since well before the referendum! As soon as a leave voice appears they all jump out from the shadows to pour scorn. I can only assume they are paid to post here or they are strange people with an awful lot of time on their hands. I have posted occasionally but I don't bother anymore.

It isn't an echo chamber, and certainly not male dominated.

there are more leave voters who complain about being called thick and racist than ever actually get accused of these things.

Of course when you claim things that are proved to be untrue, you may feel stupid, but that's not the same as being called it.

Brexit is the horrific mess that it is, mainly because the Leave campaign told lies or distorted the truth so much that actually achieving a 'Brexit' with so many conflicting facets is impossible.

The fact that the whole brexit campaign specifically avoided explaining what leaving would look like because this would cause division amongst the campaigners shows what the problem is.

They promised everything to everyone, you want less immigration, well we will take control of our borders ( except NI), but if you want more immigrants from India and Bangladesh you can have that because we will have less from the EU.

You want more protection for industry? We can do that, but at the same time we will reduce protectionist measures entirely so that we have global free trade.

"It is a remain echo chamber and quite an unpleasant male-dominated one"
My vagina and my increasingly futile attempts to get people on board with WA would tell you otherwise.

It is only unpleasant because those that voted leave are assuming that it will be someone else to work out HOW to leave and actually make things 'better' than they were as an EU member.
I say 'were' because the benefits of being a member are being eroded constantly, and have been sliding downwards for 3 years. Massive stress for the EU citizens in the UK and UK in EU, and a whole range of other issues.

Funny how the copy and paste queen couldn't find that.
And which name-changer are you sionnachbeag?

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the JRM quote was very explicitly in a debate about UK referenda on membership in EU. He was literally addressing nothing else.

In that case I wasn't looking hard enough - although the motion in 2011 was for a three option vote (not a simple 'leave' or 'remain' choice) - the third option being;
(c) re-negotiate the terms of its membership in order to create a new relationship based on trade and co-operation.

Several MPs pointed out that the vote would be split or confusing with three options - which is why JRM suggested several referendums (I am going to stick with the plural referendums if you were correcting me here as well).

Since he said it on (sic) floor of HoC,The quote is easily found in Hansaard

Easier to find in Hansard.

I see that JRM has pointed out that his comments have been displayed as a Tweet (Led By Donkeys) - although he didn't join Twitter until 2017.

It is a remain echo chamber and quite an unpleasant male-dominated one.

Hilarious post

Clavinova
Maybe you could research something more useful like the number of kneecappings and punishment beatings that have occurred in NI over the last say 5 years.
This sort of information might suggest to Leavers that the issue over the border is actually rather more serious than some would like you to believe.
Simply saying it will be fine is ignoring the stress and terror that continues in NI.
Maybe report on the violence as this marching season starts.
The GFA was a fantastic start to the peace process in NI, but it is a process not an event, the work continues and will do for many decades more.

Clavinova
Maybe you could research something more useful like the number of kneecappings and punishment beatings that have occurred in NI over the last say 5 years.

I already have - I mentioned beatings etc. yesterday.

I posted this BBC timeline months ago - criminal behaviour linked to drugs, guns, extortion, gangland control of local communities - all under a banner of convenience (GFA)- Brexit or no Brexit;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10866072

I see that JRM has pointed out that his comments have been displayed as a Tweet (Led By Donkeys) - although he didn't join Twitter until 2017.

Just to show people what the Led by Donkeys quote actually shows. Presumably other people chose to tweet his quote - there is nothing to say that he tweeted it. This is what he said, and what he doesn't now like being reminded of, even though he chose to repeat in Parliament It's typical of a mardy Brexiter - they try to side step the issue when they get called out, instead of owning the statements they made..

That photo does appear to show that the tweet was by JRM though - his details are at the top?

It’s a bit stupid of Led By Donkeys as he did actually ‘say’ that but by making it look like he tweeted it, discredits it.

As with all Led by Donkeys quotes, they are date and time stamped.
The fact that it was not a tweet does not remove the accuracy of the quote.

I know the content is accurate but because it was made to look like a tweet it plays into JRMs hands.

He can, in all honesty say ‘I never tweeted that, I didn’t even have a Twiitter account then’

It’s just stupid to give them such ammunition.

The more recent Led by Donkeys stuff has the source of the quotes. This is one of the very early ones - in fact possibly the very first one, as you can see that it wasn't pasted professionally.

I posted this BBC timeline months ago - criminal behaviour linked to drugs, guns, extortion, gangland control of local communities - all under a banner of convenience (GFA)- Brexit or no Brexit;

And now back to sticking IEDs under policemen’s cars close to PSNI HQ.

OP, where did you go?

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers...

Is this 'light Brexit relief'?

I was reading something today that was quiet Interesting..
It said because project fear was the worst that might happen, and because of how loud and how often the worse cases were quoted, people have got used to them never happening and remain have shot themselves in the foot...
The emergency budget that never was.
Banking not leaving the UK.
The UK being one of the best performing countries...
That people are now wondering if remain are now the boy that cried wolf.

But we haven’t actually left yet mummy and things do seem to be crumbling down around our ears with our economy so I don’t get your point. Many job losses already, businesses moving etc and more to come.

Which people are wondering? Is his name Will?

But it seems people are now not listening to the warnings of doom and gloom because all the things were supposed to happen just didn't....

But it seems people are now not listening to the warnings of doom and gloom because all the things were supposed to happen just didn't....

Looks that way. Polls not always accurate, but Brexit Party is in second place 21% and Conservatives 24%. A coalition of these two parties is the likely outcome of a General Election.

As General Elections are based on seats as opposed to % I would say that a Coalition of Brexit Party and Conservatives would likely represent a majority of seats.

So not sure why Labour and the other parties are talking about a Vote of No Confidence to try and force a General Election

imho, in 2016, MN was about 85% anti-Brexit by count of posters, but had almost 30% pro-Brexit posts by volume (imbalance down to prolific posting by Claig).

I recall MNHQ saying we didn't actually need a special Brexit topic

"That people are now wondering if remain are now the boy that cried wolf."
You will remember from the story that there actually was a Wolf. And as the boy who cried wolf was a boy and not an adult, he's not really at fault for the adults not having a proper wolf detection and preparation system in place. And when, metaphorically speaking, my arm is being ripped off by a wolf, I will blame the adults for putting me in peril not the boy fir being a bit annoying.